Poverty Is Hazardous to Your Health - page 5

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  1. by   marikat534
    Even those not in poverty face the issue of medical crisis if you are uninsured you are literally driven into a state of poverty if you have to go to the doctor or pay $300 + for a month supply of medication. Bless corporations and governments with their capitalistic views and driving up the cost of health care. We thank you for making us the bad guys.

    On a positive not at least you can go to some teaching hospitals and get treatment for free. This isn't a good topic for me to get started on.
  2. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Ok, let's try to focus on the subject of the Original Topic and not each other here. Please, can we veer back on topic and move on from here? Thank you.
  3. by   mellonball
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    Ok, let's try to focus on the subject of the Original Topic and not each other here. Please, can we veer back on topic and move on from here? Thank you.
    In the spirit of not getting away from the initial topic, can you imagine getting sick because you can't afford to go to the doctor? i know it sounds stupid, but seriously, i recently made my eczema flare because i was so freaked out about a doctor's visit. first, i have to ask for time off from work. and trust me, they have no problem getting someone to fill my place. then i think about how much i have in the bank and how much the visit is going to cost me. my company raised the amount of our co-pay and the fee for a specialist is even higher. i put aside $50 expecting to pay a co-pay of $25 for my four year old to see the dermatologist. turns out she is considered a "specialist" and my co-pay is actually $40. Good thing i took out that fifty. then after my 10 minute visit, i got a prescription for a lotion to get his mosquito bite itches under control. turns out he is allergic. he is now fine and back to school. all it cost me was a pediatric visit, a dermatologist visit and a Walgreens visit. i didn't have the money, but i had it as a "just in case **** happens" fund and having to run around to get that money and get my ass back to work was definitely hazardous to my health. i may not be living in poverty, but i have a good idea of how it feels.
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Mellon,To answer a question you asked: Yes, I can imagine what living in true poverty is like, as can anyone, but I don't know. I have seen with my own eyes true poverty in places like Mexico, and closer to home, where I grew up in Chicago-----and I was able to see what it does to people living in it. . However, I make/made no claim to actually know what it's like to live in real poverty.

    Again: I don't disagree with the premise of the topic. I just believe it's best if we focus on this topic, rather than resort to "one-upping" or insulting each other on this thread. Don't you agree?
  5. by   mellonball
    Quote from smilingblueyes
    mellon,to answer a question you asked: yes, i can imagine what living in true poverty is like, as can anyone, but i don't know. i have seen with my own eyes true poverty in places like mexico, and closer to home, where i grew up in chicago-----and i was able to see what it does to people living in it. . however, i make/made no claim to actually know what it's like to live in real poverty.

    again: i don't disagree with the premise of the topic. i just believe it's best if we focus on this topic, rather than resort to "one-upping" or insulting each other on this thread. don't you agree?
    i totally agree and i am not attacking or anything, i am just generally asking. sorry f it comes off like i am coming at you. i did see the topic veer off. no insult was intended at all. in fact, i have learned alot in this forum alone and it has made me look around at how things are going on. take a look at this:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21111931/
  6. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from SharonH, RN
    We should have honest discussion about how current healthcare policy affects the health of all of our citizens instead of blowing them off with the attitude that if you're poor then you probably deserve to be that way.
    Poverty is a choice, and a shameful one at that. I do believe that if you are poor, you deserve to be that way.

    The Bible is very clear on this: you reap what you sow.

    Hard work and marriage are reliable pathways from poverty.

    The average number of hours of work per week PER HOUSEHOLD in the poorest 20% of households is 20 hrs - 1 part time job. Bringing that up to full time employment is enough, by itself, in most cases, to rise above poverty. Dual full time income earners is enough to bring any family up to middle class. Imagine that, getting married to have children and both partners working to support the family. We used to call that values.

    It is a fact that poverty is a state of mind, and a choice. If we taught THAT instead of excusing this shameful condition, then MAYBE it would be more of a motivator than telling the poor that it's OK TO BE POOR. It's not. It's shameful. IT SHOULD BE SHAMEFUL. We used to consider shame a powerful motivator to amend behavior.

    It's a hard truth, but that is the truth. Take a peek at Proverbs; it says this very thing, several times.

    There but by the Grace of God do NOT go I. Why? Because I work hard, and I do so, full time. It's that simple.

    OF COURSE poverty is hazardous to your health, both physically and spiritually. That's a no-brainer.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Oct 9, '07
  7. by   ZASHAGALKA
    The truth is the truth, even if it is a hard truth. People make choices and poverty is such a choice.

    The belief in hard work and marriage as a vehicle to raise children are both strong Christian values. I stand by them.

    Now, the Bible also has lots to say about charity. That is a different topic, altogether. Gov't aid, however, isn't charity. It is an entitlement, not a gift and that makes all the difference. I believe in charity. I do not believe in entitlements.

    For the record, SCHIP was REPUBLICAN sponsored legislation when it was passed in 1997. It will be again, when President Bush signs it. He WILL sign it, when Democrats are forced to readdress their perversion of the original legislation and remove the encroachment into socialized medicine from it in order to restore it to what it was designed to do: help kids in the gap between Medicaid and affordable insurance.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
    Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Oct 10, '07
  8. by   mellonball
    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    The truth is the truth, even if it is a hard truth. People make choices and poverty is such a choice.

    For the record, I am an awesome bedside nurse.

    The Bible IS clear on this: don't work; don't eat.

    And you don't have to yell.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.

    JUST SO YOU KNOW, I AM NOT YELLING. EVERYTHING IS IN CAPS BECAUSE THE JOB I WORK AT FOR OVER 40 HOURS I HAVE TO USE CAPS WHILE WORKING AND I JUST DON'T TAKE THEM OFF. I AM STILL NOT YELLING, BUT YOU ARE STILL A CLOSE MINDED PERSON. AS FOR YOUR BEDSIDE MANNER, THAT IS WHAT YOU SAY. YOUR PATIENTS MIGHT NOT THINK YOU ARE THAT HOT. EVER SEE MISERY? OR IT COULD JUST BE THE OTHER FACE YOU PUT ON TO REMAIN EMPLOYED SO YOU DON'T BECOME IMPOVERISHED.
  9. by   HM2VikingRN
    I was recently reading Mountains beyond Mountains by Tracy Kidder. Dr. Paul Farmer references the following passage to explain his commitment to providing health care for the poor.




    See Matthew 25.

    Source: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...tthew+25:31-46 accessed today.

    From an ethical standpoint I take this as meaning that we have an affirmative obligation to help raise the least of us in society out of poverty.
    Last edit by HM2VikingRN on Oct 10, '07
  10. by   mellonball
    Quote from ZASHAGALKA
    The truth is the truth, even if it is a hard truth. People make choices and poverty is such a choice.

    For the record, I am an awesome bedside nurse. My house is NOT made out of glass; it is well protected against poverty because of a long career of hard, full time employment.

    The Bible IS clear on this: don't work; don't eat.

    The belief in hard work and marriage as a vehicle to raise children are both strong Christian values. I stand by them.

    Now, the Bible also has lots to say about charity. That is a different topic, altogether. Gov't aid, however, isn't charity. It is an entitlement, not a gift and that makes all the difference. I believe in charity. I do not believe in entitlements.

    For the record, SCHIP was REPUBLICAN sponsored legislation when it was passed in 1997. It will be again, when President Bush signs it. He WILL sign it, when Democrats are forced to readdress their perversion of the original legislation and remove the encroachment into socialized medicine from it in order to restore it to what it was designed to do: help kids in the gap between Medicaid and affordable insurance.

    And you don't have to yell.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.

    PLEASE PAY ATTENTION. I AM NOT YELLING. I LEAVE THE CAP ITAL LOCK ON SINCE I AM WORKING AND THE PROGRAM I AM USING WILL NOT RESPOND TO LOWER CASE. I AM ACTUALLY WRITING WITH MY INSIDE VOICE. YOU DO NOT SEE ANY EXCLAMATION POINTS DO YOU?
  11. by   mellonball
    Quote from HM2Viking
    I was recently reading Mountains beyond Mountains by Tracy Kidder. Dr. Paul Farmer references the following passage to explain his commitment to providing health care for the poor.



    31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

    34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
    37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

    41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

    44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
    45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
    Source: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...tthew+25:31-46 accessed today.

    From an ethical standpoint I take this as meaning that we have an affirmative obligation to help raise the least of us in society out of poverty.

    ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP THE MOST GET IT THE LEAST AND NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING. THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES. WE HEAR POVERTY AND THINK DIRT POOR. POVERTY COULD BE WORKING FULL TIME AND NOT HAVE ENOUGH TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF LIFE. THE OTHER ISSUE COULD JUST BE ABOUT PAYING FOR THE THINGS THAT INSURANCE DOES NOT COVER AND HOW THAT CAN MAKE A SITUATION GO FROM BAD TO WORSE AND PEOPLE SHOULD NOT TRY TO HIDE BEHIND RELIGION AND PLACE BLAME ON PEOPLE BEING POOR AND CALLING THEM LAZY. I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO WANTS TO ACTUALLY BE POOR. I COME FROM WHAT IS CONSIDERED MIDDLE CLASS AND I SEE THE CONSTANT STRUGGLE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE AND KNWO IT MUST BE HELL FOR THE HAVE NOTS OR THE HAVE NOT TOO MUCH
  12. by   HM2VikingRN
  13. by   HM2VikingRN
    Quote from mellonball
    ALL I AM SAYING IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP THE MOST GET IT THE LEAST AND NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING. THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES. WE HEAR POVERTY AND THINK DIRT POOR. POVERTY COULD BE WORKING FULL TIME AND NOT HAVE ENOUGH TO MEET THE DEMANDS OF LIFE. THE OTHER ISSUE COULD JUST BE ABOUT PAYING FOR THE THINGS THAT INSURANCE DOES NOT COVER AND HOW THAT CAN MAKE A SITUATION GO FROM BAD TO WORSE AND PEOPLE SHOULD NOT TRY TO HIDE BEHIND RELIGION AND PLACE BLAME ON PEOPLE BEING POOR AND CALLING THEM LAZY. I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO WANTS TO ACTUALLY BE POOR. I COME FROM WHAT IS CONSIDERED MIDDLE CLASS AND I SEE THE CONSTANT STRUGGLE FOR THOSE WHO HAVE AND KNWO IT MUST BE HELL FOR THE HAVE NOTS OR THE HAVE NOT TOO MUCH
    I agree with you. I am actually on your side on this issue. I posted the link to Matthew 25 as an explanation of my belief about why we have an obligation as a society and as individuals to help the poor.

    As the OP of this thread I want to remind everyone that the central point was that as a society we can spend money better and smarter to improve the health of our patients.

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