Poverty Is Hazardous to Your Health - page 29

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  1. by   pickledpepperRN
    A nurse I know is married to a wonderful man whose work began as a volunteer through the church and now is paid by the social services department. He did earn his MSW.
    He works with the fathers of children on welfare.
    By example and appealing to their wish that their father had been in their life he has a great success rate over 20 years.
    He works with their parole or probation officers if they are under control of the justice system.
    He helps them study for a GED, get a job, and encourages either college or learning a trade.
    They learn child development and how to care for a baby.
    He and his RN wife have social events where they also lear manners.
    Almost 100% of these very at risk fathers visit their kids and stay active in their lives. Almost 100% pay child support by the time the baby is three.
    Some have married the mother.
    Only a handful went back to prison. About 50% were arrested at least once before the baby was born.

    Now the fathers from years ago visit often. Their kids, for the most part, are pleasant and polite. One of his first fathers is proud of his daughter who graduated college and is now in medical school.

    I think we need more like him. Certainly NOT just a government rule follower.
    He and his RN wife are heros to me.
    I go once a year to a BIG event in a public park where all are invited.
    It is wonderful to see the hope and success. Of course the few who failed don't come to the picnic.
  2. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from blueridgehomern
    steph-

    i'd fly dr.laura our here on my own mastercard if i thought it would help. unfortunately, she is already getting parties from her little friends (in middle school) and is oh-so-excited about being an adult with her own life and apartment and income. we've been told its a "cultural choice" [???] and we are being insensitive to family dynamics ...... (the baby-daddy is 19 and alreaady in prison-again)

    actually, i'd love to let bill cosby have a go at them, but that won't happen either.

    so--another generation caught in the cycle
    bill and laura . . .tag team them. :d

    unfortunately, there seems to be no stigma anymore . . . .

    steph
  3. by   HM2VikingRN
    If stigma and judgemental approaches were going to work she wouldn't be pregnant. I think we need to start a social epidemic against teen pregnancy. See The Tipping Point for ideas....
  4. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from spacenurse
    I am not joking when I say I don't think a sane person would collect SSI for a mental illness unless they are mentally ill.
    What is wrong with providing a job for people instead of a welfare check. I mean for those who can't get one.
    Or pretend they can't get one.
    There are plenty of "mentally ill" that are sane enough to hold a job. I personally know of two MDs that have Bipolar disorder, but are motivated enough to do what it takes to hold a job. It is not easy and they probably work much harder than their collegues, to "prove" that they can do it.

    There are also "mentally ill" that have been "disabled" by those around them enabling poor adherence to therapy/treatment.

    And we also have to deal with the needs of businesses to have reliable employees.

    For example, my sister is seriously mentally ill. For many years, she worked very hard, was very compliant with therapy, avoided alcohol and drugs, ate right, stayed away from poor influences....all things that kept her mentally able to handle life.

    Unfortunately, she married a man that was not compliant with his or her therapy, started drinking alcohol "just once in a while", and things went down from there. He of course, smokes pot, for "pain control", etc....you get the idea. Her disease kept going out of control (BIG MYSTERY), and eventually she could not hold a job.

    Even now, when the disease is controlled, it is virtually impossible to find an employer to hire her d/t errors that have occurred because of her "disease"
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    In many cases (NOT ALL)

    There are people that have serious conditions that can and do work rather than be listed as disabled....even if the road is harder and the obstacles higher. And then there are others that do not want to make the sacrifices necessary to control their disease.

    As a person with a chronic disease, I have worked as a traveler in positions that did not permit "sick time". I have to take very good care of myself and limit my life in many ways, to accomplish this. Yet, a large portion of those with my disease find themselves repeatedly sickened or disabled with this disorder. Is it fair that I have to be stricter with myself? No, it isn't but it is what I do to stay healthy.
  5. by   pickledpepperRN
    I hear you.

    Me too. I miss a lot because I get a migraine unless I get enough sleep.
    I work with nurses who are bi polar. They are terrific nurses.
    Ovet the years I've known many productive people with mental illness.

    But when I run across a person who is willing to claim that label and live on SSI my DH and good friends say, "There's nothing wrong with him. He could work. He is just leeching off us taxpayers."
    Yes that person is doing just that because given the right circumstances the man could work.
    But I know a couple whose life is daytime TV, the supermarket, and doctor appointments. I comfort myself that to me no one in their right mind would choose to be mentally ill. Or to fake mental illness to avoid living a useful life. Something is wrong.
  6. by   HM2VikingRN
    Krugman commented today about how growing up in poverty tends to trap children in poverty d/t induced developmental delays.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/op...on&oref=slogin
  7. by   ZASHAGALKA
    Quote from HM2Viking
    Krugman commented today about how growing up in poverty tends to trap children in poverty d/t induced developmental delays.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/op...on&oref=slogin
    I agree.

    So why then, are we subsidizing and so, ENCOURAGING ever more children born into poverty?

    Instead of rewarding the births of children into poverty, why aren't we rewarding behaviors that lead OUT of poverty.

    If children born into poverty is such a bum deal, and it is, then WHY must their parents specifically abandon the two most proven ladders out of poverty (full time employment and full time father) in order TO GET AID? That's an even worse bum deal, courtesy of your government.

    In the name of 'the children', we are fostering the very situations you decry. It's a shame. A crying shame.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
  8. by   HM2VikingRN
    From the article:

    L. B. J. declared his “War on Poverty” 44 years ago. Contrary to cynical legend, there actually was a large reduction in poverty over the next few years, especially among children, who saw their poverty rate fall from 23 percent in 1963 to 14 percent in 1969.
  9. by   banditrn
    Quote from HM2Viking
    From the article:
    Articles are fine, but why not look at the real world? There IS no reason for anyone with children in todays USA to 'live in poverty'. There are too many programs to prevent it in today's world.

    Of course, I guess that depends on your interpretation of poverty. It ISN'T poverty to do without cable TV or a laptop or a cell phone with all the bling.

    My ex-dil is a prime example - she got arrested the other nite - at her home, in front of the kids - for 'possesion of a controlled substance'.

    She's already been drug-tested two times by DHS, and flunked both times. The first time she was put on some kind of child abuse registry because she was doing it in front of the kids, and my granddaughter talked about it at school - the second time they just told her NOT to do it in front of the children. At that time, I got to mulling this over and realized that she was spending her 'benefits', money that was intended to take care of her children, on drugs - that you and I are paying for. I called DHS and talked to her caseworker, but they appear not to care.

    This isn't an isolated case - and the area where I worked has become one of the major drug areas in the state. Also, where I worked we saw some second, and occasional third generation welfare families. How did we know this? Because we saw them all the time. I didn't get anything from them that told me they had ANY interest in getting out of the system and rising above it all.

    I also have a DIL that is a social worker, and she talks to me occasionally in generalities about the system - and she's tired of watching it all and wants out.

    If people are going to have kids, they MUST take care of them. At the very minimum they must see that they are fed and have a safe warm place to live - if they can't take steps to do that, without living their life on welfare - then they have no business having them.
  10. by   Simplepleasures
    Bandit, I agree with everything you said, BUT in the REAL world,as you say, those who are unfit, CONTINUE to have children. The children NEED to be HELPED by us as a society , so as to NOT CONTINUE this cycle. The children are NOT gulity of the sins of the parents. I know the cycle has gone for several generations, BUT there ARE those few that DO break out and become successful , responsible adults who can mentor those still in the cycle.
  11. by   twotrees2
    Quote from ingelein
    Bandit, I agree with everything you said, BUT in the REAL world,as you say, those who are unfit, CONTINUE to have children. The children NEED to be HELPED by us as a society , so as to NOT CONTINUE this cycle. The children are NOT gulity of the sins of the parents. I know the cycle has gone for several generations, BUT there ARE those few that DO break out and become successful , responsible adults who can mentor those still in the cycle.
    there is also an aspect of all this that i dont believe we have touched on - many who DO qualify are either unaware they do or just dont do it out of fear of what would people think if i get help from welfare or as me they take only what they need - as there are on here many who trash folks who do get help so there is in the society. yet none reach out to these who need it - noone tells em its available or they should just try to qualify - i will tell you i myself get some assistance- HEALTHCARE - i do NOT take all i can take simply because we can get by and i hope someone else who needs it can get it - i am not trying to bleed the system - however circumstances ( myhealth and that of others in my house ) but mostly my health as it prevents me from going all Gun ho as i used to with 3 jobs and personally i figure i am much more valuable alive for those at home who need me than dead of a second whammy heart attack when i was blessed to not die from the first when i should have ......now ya have it - all those out here can say that i am a loser ( as some have said those who use these services are - ) i know i am not - for those who say " im sick and i still bust my butt and yada yada- well - good for themtoo - when thier families have to be atthier funeral earlier than need be because they refuse to recognize thier limitations - i wont loose any sleep. i know i am doing what i must and if some dont like it they can pack up and move where this is not going to bother them - i can think of several countries where they could go i am sure they would be welcome- and in some as rich as they say they all are theyd be kings!! and could be on the top of the food chain so i say go for it. as for me i will cont to live off of "thier" ( because i havent put any of MY money into it all these yrs- I just sat around doing nothing :icon_roll) monies and will encourage those i know who may qualify but wont go in to go in. especially those with kids. no reason any child need do without health care when all a person needs to do is go out and apply.
  12. by   Simplepleasures
    Quote from twotrees2
    there is also an aspect of all this that i dont believe we have touched on - many who DO qualify are either unaware they do or just dont do it out of fear of what would people think if i get help from welfare or as me they take only what they need - as there are on here many who trash folks who do get help so there is in the society. yet none reach out to these who need it - noone tells em its available or they should just try to qualify - i will tell you i myself get some assistance- HEALTHCARE - i do NOT take all i can take simply because we can get by and i hope someone else who needs it can get it - i am not trying to bleed the system - however circumstances ( myhealth and that of others in my house ) but mostly my health as it prevents me from going all Gun ho as i used to with 3 jobs and personally i figure i am much more valuable alive for those at home who need me than dead of a second whammy heart attack when i was blessed to not die from the first when i should have ......now ya have it - all those out here can say that i am a loser ( as some have said those who use these services are - ) i know i am not - for those who say " im sick and i still bust my butt and yada yada- well - good for themtoo - when thier families have to be atthier funeral earlier than need be because they refuse to recognize thier limitations - i wont loose any sleep. i know i am doing what i must and if some dont like it they can pack up and move where this is not going to bother them - i can think of several countries where they could go i am sure they would be welcome- and in some as rich as they say they all are theyd be kings!! and could be on the top of the food chain so i say go for it. as for me i will cont to live off of "thier" ( because i havent put any of MY money into it all these yrs- I just sat around doing nothing :icon_roll) monies and will encourage those i know who may qualify but wont go in to go in. especially those with kids. no reason any child need do without health care when all a person needs to do is go out and apply.
    Twotrees, Im with ya, it is so sad that some folks are so judgemental . It is good that you can get some help with healthcare. I hope one day Universal healthcare will be available to everyone , rich and poor and middle class.

    I have thought the same thing you just said, if this government is so bad, why stay here, answer is that we could not find a better nation on earth and should be darn grateful to be here, I am. We are so lucky to have freedom of speech in this country, some of the things Ive read would have put someone in another country in some Gulag somewhere, never to be heard from again. This country is not perfect, but what is the alternative?
  13. by   pickledpepperRN
    Yup. I fell asleep and sprained my neck. I was afraid to drive because I couldn't turn my head. MD wanted to write a prescription for muscle relaxer medication but then I would be too sleepy to drive or care for my patients. MD sent me to physical therapy. Exercises and stretches were helpful. The second visit he did the exact same things as the first.
    I declined to make a third appointment although my insurance would pay for 26.
    WHY? I can apply ice and follow the instructions I was given.

    LOTS of people would rather NOT use healthcare they don't NEED.

    It is not fun goind to the MD or ER. They stick your vein with needles, make you sit on a table nearly undressed. A nice walk or sitting and reading are much more fun.

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