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No. 50
Old May 26, 2004, 09:20 AM

There are no policies against wearing wedding rings where I work, but I leave all my rings at home, including my wedding ring. why risk bringing those nasty bugs home? Or risk cutting gloves with them? Or risk losing them when I have to take them off for patient care at work? Not worth it to me.
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No. 51
Old May 26, 2004, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by SmilingBluEyes
There are no policies against wearing wedding rings where I work, but I leave all my rings at home, including my wedding ring. why risk bringing those nasty bugs home? Or risk cutting gloves with them? Or risk losing them when I have to take them off for patient care at work? Not worth it to me.
Me too . . . no rings at work. No official policy against rings though.

steph
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No. 52
from maddiecat
Old May 26, 2004, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by stevielynn
Me too . . . no rings at work. No official policy against rings though.

steph
I can't even imagine what must be lurking under the stone in my ring. I really need to get them cleaned! I don't wear any to work. It's easier for me not to worry about them.
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No. 53
Old May 26, 2004, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by maddiecat
I can't even imagine what must be lurking under the stone in my ring. I really need to get them cleaned! I don't wear any to work. It's easier for me not to worry about them.
I know, scary huh?

steph
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No. 54
from bukko
Old May 26, 2004, 01:37 PM

Default AUS vs. US
Because this seems to be an Aussie issue (but the OP originated in England?) I wonder about some cross-cultural issues.

Do you think hospitals in Australia would be more likely to do this button thing than hospitals in the US? I haven't worked for any that did in 12 years. But in America, it's all about marketing. I can forsee the day when we have ID badges "sponsored by" some drug company that has an advertisement along the bottom. "Ask this nurse if she washed her hands with KLENZO KLEENER!!!!"

Are patients pushy in Australia? I can't imagine most Americans asking anything like that, even if we were wearing buttons. It would be considered too rude. People here get rude, but usually about other things. Maybe they're more in-yer-face Down Under.

Who do you think makes more people sick: nurses who don't wash their hands or restaurant workers? Oh -- add doctors into that poll!
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No. 55
from Farkinott
Old May 27, 2004, 08:44 AM

Default Cross cultural issues
Originally Posted by bukko
Because this seems to be an Aussie issue (but the OP originated in England?) I wonder about some cross-cultural issues.

Do you think hospitals in Australia would be more likely to do this button thing than hospitals in the US? I haven't worked for any that did in 12 years. But in America, it's all about marketing. I can forsee the day when we have ID badges "sponsored by" some drug company that has an advertisement along the bottom. "Ask this nurse if she washed her hands with KLENZO KLEENER!!!!"

Are patients pushy in Australia? I can't imagine most Americans asking anything like that, even if we were wearing buttons. It would be considered too rude. People here get rude, but usually about other things. Maybe they're more in-yer-face Down Under.

Who do you think makes more people sick: nurses who don't wash their hands or restaurant workers? Oh -- add doctors into that poll!
If we include the politics of the USA in our forums, or indeed this thread, it will lose some of it's freedom as it has "lost" it's ability to be tangible to those that are surfing the site purely because they want information about nursing issues or, are seeking help and advice.

Please feel free to start your own thread in the correct category.

Sincerely yours,
Farkinott
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No. 56
from missmercy
Old May 27, 2004, 09:44 AM

Ok, can I ask a stupid question ( I already know the answer to that one!! I am gifted in the stupid question department some days!!!) Anyhoo --- How is adking about Aussie patients politics? Isn't more a cultural question? Aren't cultural issues integral to good nursing care? Does it hurt anything to find out what different perceptions there are out there: whether r/t wearing "FLAIR" or hand washing or uniforms or what ever.... I guess I just missed the political overtones in that post and didn't get what you were objectiong to.
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No. 57
from Q.
Old May 27, 2004, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by DOCS RN
I think it is management that has a problem. Any nurse who would wear such a badge and not feel insulted has a problem. I am a professional, my JOB is to teach health practices. I can't teach if you (the patient) are too busy asking if I practice what I preach.....think about it.
I don't think I have "a problem" if I don't feel insulted; I am not above patients taking some amount of responsibility for their care. And sure, it's a management issue in that infection rates are incredibily high and thus a JCAHO focus lately; it's one of the 7 Patient Safety Goals.
From JCAHO:
Despite the small number of infection-related sentinel event cases reported to the Joint Commission, the number of patients acquiring infections in the health care setting, as well as the number of patient deaths due to an acquired infection, remains high. According to estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), each year nearly two million patients in the United States get an infection in hospitals, and about 90,000 of these patients die as a result of their infection. Infections are also a complication of care in other settings including long term care facilities, clinics and dialysis centers.
www.jcaho.org
This isn't about my ego. This is about the patients.
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No. 58
from mattsmom81
Old May 27, 2004, 12:33 PM

Surgical suites are a sterile environment. I cannot maintain a sterile environment in the general hospital ward.

My ICU: Too many people in and out, bringing and tracking things in and out (on carpet). No doubt there are bugs everywhere. We used to routinely culture surfaces...haven't been allowed to do that in years. Visitors in an out everywhere, few controls are allowed anymore. Grandchildren coughing all over grandma...but its a nosocomial infection and the nurses are to blame. <sigh>

The idea that if someone gets an infection a nurse obviously did something wrong is ludicrous, IMO. Long term care patients become human petri dishes but it doesn't mean a nurse did something to cause that. Again, nurses make easy scapegoats for a system that will not be honest and take responsibility.

We do the best we can. I am tired of getting a finger pointed at me. It costs too much money, effort and public goodwill for facilities to return to the more sterile environments of the past, so they will come up with these silly button schemes and continue to make nurses responsible for what they will not/cannot do.

As I said before, my nurse coworkers hands are frequently a mess from overwashing and disinfecting with chemicals. We are developing latex sensitivities from the gloving we do all day. Infection control is a much larger problem than this, and this is why I personally will never wear a button saying "ask me if I've washed'.
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No. 59
Old May 27, 2004, 06:49 PM

So then do surveyors wear these stupid buttons too?

I somehow think not.

I am not interested in stupid slogans, buttons, etc. I KNOW my job. I know to wash my hands. Those who do not, need to be disciplined and dismissed if they persist. But I will not hold my breath, esp. where physicians are concerned.

It's not about my ego, but I have the right to DIGNITY in performing my duties. It IS about nurses, too.
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