Patients are told to ask nurses: have you washed? - page 6
Patients are told to ask nurses: have you washed? By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor (Filed: 16/05/2004) Nurses are to suffer the ultimate indignity of having their personal hygiene... Read More
Jun 1, '04I agree with you Susy-K. You are right on with your remarks. Our patients have the right to ask questions and we need to be grown up and professional enough to accept that. When someone asks me I may say "I just did but am glad to do it again" and go to the sink so they can see me wash my hands. I try and let patients see me use the alcohol hand sanitizer when I enter their rooms so they can see for themselves that it is being done.
Jun 1, '04Quote from caroladybellewho are the biggest offenders? let's hear it crew! the physicians. how many times have you seen it and cringed? there ought to be something that gets the message across that it's not just the hospital staff that should be questioned. still, in view of the current mrsa problem, i would not be insulted if a patient asked me.when do they make mds wear them?
Jun 1, '04well again we agree to disagree. ONLY IF ALL OFFENDERS in the CHAIN OF INFECTION have to wear them, should we. That would include DOCTORS and FAMILY too right? NURSES are not the only offenders here.
Jun 1, '04queengene, i have NO issues with a patient or family member asking me if I washed, but I draw the line at wearing a stupid button. I do think it's beneath me.
Jun 2, '04Plain and simple -- the real issue is how much illness and disease transmission can be avoided (for nurses too) by the cost-effective, easily accomplished measure of everyone washing hands between patients and assurring that instruments are sterilized.
We're pretty antiquated in the basics in spite of all the high tech b.s. Not to be gross but there are still people who get into the shower every day after their spouse and wash under their arms with the same bar of soap he/she just used to wash his/her butt. :uhoh21:
Polio era studies (when they thought it might be fecal-related) showed that the micro-organisms from the fecal whatevers survived on the soap for many uses thereafter.
Forget the badges and remember that the life we protect with washing properly may be.....our own!Last edit by LucyGoosey on Jun 3, '04
Jun 3, '04Quote from SmilingBluEyesSmiling I agree that buttons may be a little to much but if it raises awareness than I dont see the problem. Maybe if patients feel free to ask regular staff they will then begin to notice that the physicians too need to heed the call for hand washing.queengene, i have NO issues with a patient or family member asking me if I washed, but I draw the line at wearing a stupid button. I do think it's beneath me.
Jun 3, '04Quote from DaqueengeneAmen to that.I amSmiling I agree that buttons may be a little to much but if it raises awareness than I dont see the problem. Maybe if patients feel free to ask regular staff they will then begin to notice that the physicians too need to heed the call for hand washing.
ashing my hands all the time where patients and families can see that I care enough to keep us.safer.I also agree that if nurses need to be called on for such a basic "skill" then all those doctors who don't wash thier hands need the same scarlet letters for all to see.
Jun 4, '04There was an article a few days ago in the local paper (can't locate right now) about Doctors ties being a wonderful place to harbor all kinds of bugs as they often swing down over the patient's beds. What about that??
Jun 4, '04well maybe they need a button
"HAVE YOU WASHED YOUR TIE?" but let's don't stop there....
we can wear a bunch of buttons:
Have you wiped your stethoscope?
Did you take off your scope coat (a huge wick of infection)?
Have you wiped your equipment throughly?
Have you washed your ?
Did you wear gloves to start that IV?
Did you cut your nails?
how about a vest with all of them to decorate it and remind us of these things?
Yes, all these things are potential wicks/transmittors of infection. That is why I see the whole button campaign as so silly. We need to get real about causes of infection and address those who are making the problem worse. And that would not just be an issue of nurses washing their hands, as important is that is.Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Jun 4, '04
Jun 4, '04i will go to a reasonable limit, to reassure my pts., i.e., wash my hands in front of them....anything beyond that, especially wearing a stupid button is patronizing, insulting and condescending. nurses get the brunt of everything and this is just one of the many final straws.
Jun 4, '04Quote from earle58I agree, and was reminded of this thread the other night when my administrators were pushing me to admit into a dirty VRE room that hadn't yet been cleaned. They acted like they didn't know or didn't care that no housekeeper was on duty on midnites to adequately disinfect this room, nor did I have acess to the proper equipment/supplies to terminally clean a VRE room myself.i will go to a reasonable limit, to reassure my pts., i.e., wash my hands in front of them....anything beyond that, especially wearing a stupid button is patronizing, insulting and condescending. nurses get the brunt of everything and this is just one of the many final straws.
So...where's the facility priority really??? How many timea have the rest of ya'll been pushed to admit to an infectious room or place infectious patients with noninfectious patients for the hospital's benefit? How many times have your supervisors turned a blind eye to isolation concerns, lack of supplies and staff? It's a constant battle for me...
If they gave me a button I'd be sorely tempted to tell them where to put it.