Parents' fear of vaccination nearly killed their son - page 4

This is an article I came across on facebook today and felt it worthy of sharing. When kids aren't vaccinated, a small cut on the foot can lead to a prolonged ICU stay and a prolonged... Read More

  1. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from morte
    well, if the vacced kid caught it , the vac did him a lot of good, yes?
    Have you ever heard of herd immunity?
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    Quote from klone
    Generally speaking, unvaxed children are more at risk being around vaxed children than the other way around.
    Citation for this?
  3. Visit  stephanie. profile page
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    I delay vaccinated my most recent child. I never had more than 2 vaccines given to him at a time and I don't think that makes me a horrible mother or human being or one day a nimwhit nurse . By the time he was a little less than 2 y/o he was completely up to date- I worked with my Dr. to arrange a different schedule and it worked out really well for us. The only vaccines I've refused for my kids are the varicella and flu.

    Personal choice. Thanks.
  4. Visit  morte profile page
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    yes ma'am, and it has little to no relevance here.
    Quote from BostonFNP
    Have you ever heard of herd immunity?
  5. Visit  klone profile page
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    Quote from BostonFNP
    Citation for this?
    No citation needed, use common sense. Several vaccines are live attenuated vaccines that shed in saliva and feces for up to a couple weeks after administration. Unvaxed children, such as in a childcare setting, could actually contract the disease from that shedding.

    But, since I'm all accommodating-like, here you go:

    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/acip/laiv-shed.htm

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18922486
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  6. Visit  BostonFNP profile page
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    Quote from morte
    yes ma'am, and it has little to no relevance here.
    First and foremost, not a ma'am.

    Second, it is a perfect example of the importance of herd immunity. If one in 10,000 people doesn't seroconvert, the immunity of the 9,999 others protects that individual (I am approximating the numbers here, not using hard data). In the example mentioned the vaccination didn't help the individual because that individual did not convert and was subsequently exposed to another non-immune and infected individual resulting in illness.
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    Quote from klone

    No citation needed, use common sense. Several vaccines are live attenuated vaccines that shed in saliva and feces for up to a couple weeks after administration. Unvaxed children, such as in a childcare setting, could actually contract the disease from that shedding.

    But, since I'm all accommodating-like, here you go:

    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/acip/laiv-shed.htm

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18922486
    You are not providing evidence for your previous statement.

    Unvaccinated individuals are undoubtedly at higher risk than vaccinated individuals, as are vaccinated individuals at lower risk than unvaccinated individuals.

    That does not mean the greatest risk to unvaccinated individuals is vaccinated individuals; the greatest risk is other unvaccinated individuals. The risk to an unvaccinated individual from the shedding of a live attenuated vaccine is minimal unless they are markedly immunodeficient.

    From your quoted source:

    " In rare instances, shed vaccine viruses can be transmitted from vaccine recipients to unvaccinated persons. However, serious illnesses have not been reported among unvaccinated persons who have been infected inadvertently with vaccine viruses."
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    Quote from BostonFNP
    You are not providing evidence for your previous statement.

    Unvaccinated individuals are undoubtedly at higher risk than vaccinated individuals, as are vaccinated individuals at lower risk than unvaccinated individuals.

    That does not mean the greatest risk to unvaccinated individuals is vaccinated individuals;
    But that's not what I said. I'll quote myself:

    Generally speaking, unvaxed children are more at risk being around vaxed children than the other way around.
  9. Visit  xoemmylouox profile page
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    Quote from morte
    well, if the vacced kid caught it , the vac did him a lot of good, yes?
    That is the same argument I hear all the time from ignorant families. Anyone with a basic understanding knows vaccines are not 100% at their best. They are amazing though. Obviously the work in most cases otherwise we would have outbreaks of measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, diphtheria, meningitis, etc. Look at the evidence that HPV rates are already dropping due to the new vaccine. Anything else?
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    Quote from klone

    Generally speaking, unvaxed children are more at risk being around vaxed children than the other way around.
    There is no evidence either part of this statement is true. I guess we just disagree on this.

    There is definite risk for vaccinated children that do not convert from unvaccinated children, or adults.

    There is definite risk to unvaccinated individuals from other unvaccinated individuals.

    There is very little significant risk to unvaccinated individuals from vaccinated individuals.
    Last edit by BostonFNP on Jul 20, '13
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  11. Visit  Jolie profile page
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    Quote from morte
    well, if the vacced kid caught it , the vac did him a lot of good, yes?
    Quite possibly, the vaccine DID do him "a lot of good." If he was sickened by contagious disease, but not killed by it, then the vaccine may indeed have provoked a partial immune response, giving him SOME ability to recognize and fight the pathogen, rather than simply succumb to it.

    Vaccines, like medications, are never 100% effective. Not every individual who receives a vaccine will mount an immune response that fully protects him for the duration of his life. There is a continuum of response from none at all to full protection. To assert that illness following vaccination is evidence of complete failure of said vaccine is to demonstrate lack of understanding of the human immune system, the effective use of medications and principles of public health.
  12. Visit  channtheman profile page
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    The intolerance of the nurses in this thread is quite shameful.
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  13. Visit  klone profile page
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    The intolerance of the nurses in this thread is quite shameful.
    They won't see it as intolerance, though. Or rather, they may recognize it as intolerance, but feel it's well-justified intolerance. And I understand that stance, even though I don't agree. I really think that one cannot understand the other side of the vaccine argument unless one has been there. It's sort of like pro-lifers and pro-choicers debating. You're never gonna change the other side's mind.

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