Pandemic Flu - Thread II - page 16
Frist calls for a Manhatten Project: We are so..., you know. He is telling it like it is. Does anyone really understand this? There is nothing that we can do but prepare, but no one is... Read More
Dec 3, '06L. Monty, you are right. The just-in-time delivery system is what really bothers me. Here in RI, the stores are mobbed if the weatherman says that dirty word, "snow". Can you imagine, if everyone tried to shop for food or even toilet paper because the media has announced that sustained human to human transmission has occurred? Now, I can not imagine how they would choose to impart that kind of info.
If they would do drills like the one scheduled in Great Britain next month, that would help people to get used to the idea that this could happen here. This is becoming more of a possibility with EACH human, and even with each mammal effected. The virus is adapting to infect humans more easily. The last mortality in Egypt is a big red flag! That time, the virus recombined in such a way that it had regions of identity with Influenza B. That really is cause for concern. Influenza B is readily transmissible.
When people on this board tell me that it is not a concern because it's over there (indonesia, etc) or that other diseases are killing far more people (as if being concerned about one thing, negates any ability to be concerned about both), I know that they are not thinking ahead. The price of not thinking ahead, is that their family will do without items that they could have put by if someone had just had the foresight to do so.
What is the big deal about buying some extra food and TP? I don't get it.
I can understand if you are a student or have limited means because your options may be more limited. But, if you have people who depend on you to make the right decision for them, well think about it...
L. Monty, as for the thoughts on a hidden mammalian reservoir, now that is really interesting. Wouldn't think that they would be testing all the local critters more than they are saying? Seems kind of short sighted to only test the poultry. Could this be why the Koreans are killing dogs, cats, pigs etc?Last edit by indigo girl on Dec 3, '06
Dec 3, '06Given the article and discussion in this post:
Anyone want to venture what the chances are that high path H5N1 is already present on this continent? It actually makes no sense that it would not be.
It just hasn't infected any poultry yet. That is if Dr. Niman is correct in his hypothesis. You have to wonder why that lab that tested the gosling on Prince Edward Island is not forthcoming with the size of the insert.
This is a risky discussion. Someone, who shall remain unanonymous has said that I am confronting people with reality again. I do not know if it is reality or not, but it should be discussed because, I think that it is naive to believe that low path H5N1 is here, but not high path. You should be aware of that possibility, and make what you think are reasonable decisions based on that possibility. But, that is just my opinion.
Dec 4, '06(Hat tip to Flutrackers)
OSHA - Protecting Employees frm Avian Influenza:
Dec 4, '06Has anyone's hospital started any in-house education reguarding pandemic flu? Where I am, upstate NY, we're barely hearing about seasonal flu preparation!
Dec 4, '06Remember Ladies And Gentlemen , Regardless Of The Disease,
Everything Is Just A Plane Ride Away!! Scary? You Betcha.
Dec 4, '06Not hearing a thing about pandemic planning at work, gr8greens, and I've asked.
I'm even more surprised I'm not hearing more nurses here tell us what their facilities are doing. There's got to be hundreds of different facilities represented on this board by the nurses that work there.
Dec 4, '06This is who you will be taking care of.
Effect Measure Commentary on the age of the victims:
Dec 5, '06Consumer Med Stockpiles for Pandemic Influenza is a really good pamphlet put out by
an MD, designed to help people to talk to their physicians about stockpiling meds that they might need. Unfortunately, I can not link anyone to it. So if you want the info,
go to Fluwiki:
Flu Wiki Forum :: Consumer Drug Stockpiling for the Coming PandemicLast edit by indigo girl on Dec 5, '06
Dec 5, '06Commentary on suspected outbreak in Turkey from Recombinomics reminds us that the virus is constantly on the move. Governments may deny or even lie about the cause of bird death, but looking at the history of the area, you have to remember that the wild birds there, are carrying H5N1. Translations of local news sources are sometimes the only hint we have of the presence of the virus:
Poultry Deaths in Turkey Raise H5N1 Survellance Concerns
FluTrackers - View Single Post - From Dec. 2 - 15 chicken deaths in Tokat
Here is another commentary from Recombinomics addressing the role of migratory birds in the movement of H5N1 across the globe:
Worldwide Wild Bird Transport and Transmission of Qinghai H5N1
Nigeria (hat tip - Flutrackers):
Nigeria's bird flu status still uncertain despite 4-month gap since last known case - Africa & Middle East - International Herald TribuneLast edit by indigo girl on Dec 5, '06
Dec 5, '06For excellent info on avian flu-please read a new book just released by Michael Greger, MD-it's free on line at
Bird Flu - Welcome and is great reading. It's very well researched, documented with 100s of links, quotes and references.
It will scare the ****out of you because of it's scientific, logical approach. Bird flu is the natural result of massive poultry farming in Asia, and is going to be a lot worse than 1918. He explains the lab genesis of 1918 flu being re-created - and makes a credible argument for this being the next pandemic.
Puts the bird flu threat in a whole new light.
Dec 6, '06Mary J, here is another commentary, from our friends at Effect Measure that mentions Dr. Greger's book. This book really is an eye opener, and very comprehensive:
Dec 6, '06I am the Employee Health Nurse at Flowers Hospital Dothan, Alabama. I am also on the Pandemic Flu planning committee. HHS & CDC are espousing the use of phone triage to limit the amount of unnecessary ER visits for hangnails, back pain for 7 years and so forth during the surge of pandemic flu patients. Our hospital policy prohibits, as does most, the giving of medical advice over the phone. Now I understand that once most disaster/flu emergency response plans are activated most rules are out of the window but I would appreciate any and all responses on your policy and your opinions on the phone triage subject as well as the official stance your facility is taking. Please include your facility name and your title if possible.
Thanks and God Bless,
Dec 6, '06Quote from Alabama_MedicI am the Employee Health Nurse at Flowers Hospital Dothan, Alabama. I am also on the Pandemic Flu planning committee. HHS & CDC are espousing the use of phone triage to limit the amount of unnecessary ER visits for hangnails, back pain for 7 years and so forth during the surge of pandemic flu patients. Our hospital policy prohibits, as does most, the giving of medical advice over the phone. Now I understand that once most disaster/flu emergency response plans are activated most rules are out of the window but I would appreciate any and all responses on your policy and your opinions on the phone triage subject as well as the official stance your facility is taking. Please include your facility name and your title if possible.
Thanks and God Bless,
I only wish my hospital took the threat of pandemic and/or bird flu seriously. Honestly, when I asked our ID nurse if there were any plans in the works for an outbreak of panflu....she just said we'd follow normal airborne/ contact/ droplet precautions. Excuse me....there are but 8 to 12 negative pressure rooms in our facility! I honestly don't get it. :uhoh21: