Pandemic Flu - Thread II - page 14

Frist calls for a Manhatten Project: We are so..., you know. He is telling it like it is. Does anyone really understand this? There is nothing that we can do but prepare, but no one is... Read More

  1. by   indigo girl
    Interesting site, worth checking into again considering the news out of South Korea:
    Whooper Swan goose Tracking: Maps

    But, I don't think that they have updated this one to include the Korean events:
    Bird flu time line - Bird Flu - MSNBC.com

    It is also worth reviewing this document for the references to the importance of what happened at Qinghai Lake in China. This is considered to be a very significant and unprecedented event:
    http://www.fao.org/docs/eims/upload/...rd%20deaths%22

    3th Report on the project of "the Migration Dynamic of Important Breeding Waterbirds and the Precaution of Avian Influnza at Qinghai Lake, China"

    Also with Korean actions in mind, it is good to review this link from the earlier thread.
    Can you imagine the reaction to culling pets here in the USA? Of course, in Korea, cats and dogs are not usually considered pets:
    Effect Measure: Cats, dogs, birds
    Last edit by indigo girl on Jun 21, '10
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    Last edit by indigo girl on Jun 21, '10
  3. by   indigo girl
    If you have not familiarized yourself with the pandemic influenza plan of your state, here is your chance. You might be very surprised to learn what the plans are. My state has limited supplies of Tamiflu. Healthcare workers will be given Tamiflu only if infected, not prophylactically. They are expecting 50% of first responders and healthcare workers to either be infected, or otherwise be unavailable due to care of sick family members or having to care for children, and some due to refusal to work.

    Ice rinks and refrigerated trucks will be used as morgues for large numbers of fatalities. When hospitals and nursing homes are overwhelmed other places will be opened and staffed with the private physicians whose offices are no longer open due to staff attrition.

    Where You Live
    Last edit by indigo girl on Jan 6, '07
  4. by   indigo girl
    John M. Barry is speaking at Vanderbilt University tonight. It will be available
    in the archives:
    Vanderbilt News Service
  5. by   indigo girl
    Toronto requests citizens to report dead birds:
    Toronto Requests Dead Wild Birds For H5N1 Tests

    There are some interesting discussions going on over this request. Dr. Niman feels that
    the surveillance is designed to fail to find high path H5N1 because they are not testing for it in birds that are found dead.

    Here are the points that he is making, and they are good ones:

    The US and Canada have not found highly pathogenic, H5N1 in dead birds, but they have a low pathogenic form of H5N1 in live birds.

    In Asia and Europe, they did not find Qinghai H5N1 in live birds prior to finding it in dead birds.

    In Canada and the US, they can't find low path H5N1 in dead birds because they don't test dead birds, or obviously they don't test enough dead birds despite large die-offs of birds in the same areas as the live birds found with low path H5N1. The US has tested less than 1000 dead or dying birds this year.

    In Europe over 700 positives for high path H5N1 and also many in Africa have been found, and, all of it is the Qinghai strain, and ALWAYS has been found in dead birds
    BEFORE being found in live birds.

    Other than those goslings last June on Prince Edward Island, (that were not sent for testing until a week after death, mind you), Canada and the US have not found H5N1 in dead birds, but both have found it in live birds. Again, we are talking LPAI, not the highly pathogenic virus.

    As per Dr. Niman, "The fact that even low path H5N1 can't be found in dead birds means testing 1000 birds is below the detection limit of the more common low path H5N1, so it is HIGHLY unlikely that H5N1 will be found in dead birds and therefore highly unlikely that high path H5N1 will be found in live birds.
    The surveillance is a joke. It avoids the likely source of H5N1 (dead birds) and announces the failure to find H5N1 in unlikely sources (live birds)."
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    This is the testing to which he is referring in the US:
    http://wildlifedisease.nbii.gov/ai/LPAITable.pdf
    Last edit by indigo girl on Jun 21, '10
  6. by   indigo girl
    An interesting study postulating the extinction of mammalian species due to avian influenza in the Pleistocene era:
    http://www.oswego.edu/~srp/extinct.pdf
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  8. by   indigo girl
    Commentary on the three suspect cases in Egypt from Recombinomics:
    Third Suspect H5N1 Cluster in Sohag Egypt Raises Concerns

    Canadian Tamiflu Warnings - Commentary from Effect Measure:
    http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasur...flu_warnings.p

    South Korea:
    SKorean soldiers guard bird flu zones amid cull - Yahoo! News
    Last edit by indigo girl on Dec 1, '06
  9. by   indigo girl
    You're going to love this! Britain's ruling elite to receive vaccines and antivirals first. Probably the case here also:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...753892,00.html
  10. by   gr8greens
    Quote from indigo girl
    John M. Barry is speaking at Vanderbilt University tonight. It will be available
    in the archives:
    Vanderbilt News Service

    I'm unable to retrieve this lecture from either link listed . One says "link unavailable", the other says something very similar. Dang! And I loved the book about "The Great Influenza" Wow! What an eyeopener that was.
  11. by   gr8greens
    Quote from indigo girl
    You're going to love this! Britain's ruling elite to receive vaccines and antivirals first. Probably the case here also:Britain's elite get pills to survive bird flu - Sunday Times - Times Online
    Well that's just ducky! What about the healthcare workers in the clinics and hospitals? What a horrible plan for the Brits.


    P.S. I hope the USA doesn't have a similar "first dibs" hierarchy .
  12. by   indigo girl
    Quote from gr8greens
    I'm unable to retrieve this lecture from either link listed . One says "link unavailable", the other says something very similar. Dang! And I loved the book about "The Great Influenza" Wow! What an eyeopener that was.
    I'm sorry, it looks like you may have to subscribe to their service. That is disappointing...

    Hopefully, he'll speak elsewhere, and be available on video as some of the other experts or authors on this subject have been.
  13. by   indigo girl
    Commentary on those Iraqi sequences recently released that appear to be from six victims when the WHO only acknowledges three victims. What's with that?

    http://www.recombinomics.com/News/12...196R_Iraq.html

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