Out-of-work Nurses Hoping For Increased Demand - page 3

By Shellie Branco, Valley Public Radio Correspondent Three months ago, Stefania Tutino-Eslow graduated from the registered nursing program at Fresno City College, and she's still looking for a job. She says out of about 130... Read More

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    I have something to ask that may ruffle some feathers but............I'm curious and......well, if you know me, you know.....I just wouldn't know what to do with myself if someone weren't mad at me (ya know).

    Do the nurses claiming they are not being hired R/T age really truly think that is possible? I have to say, I don't. There are people in their late 50's where I am working and management ADORES them. I realize thats just my experience in my little corner of the world, but here is my problem:

    On one thread, you have you guys claiming you are not being hired R/T age. OK, fine. In numerous other threads throughout this site.............are 20 and 21 year old grads who have not even had an interview. TONS of grads are not finding work.


    I'm just having trouble swallowing the whole "ageism" concept. People of all ages are up against the wall.
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    Dear Eriksoln,
    I am seeing that the age of the women depends on the facilty and the image management has of it's staff. The place I interviewed had all younger women. It serviced the upper crust of the wealthier people in the community. Assisted living. It was quite opulent. When a DON's only question to me in an interview is how much money do I want to be paid, I have to think that cost effectiveness and image are the issues at hand .
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    Quote from ladibelle
    Dear Eriksoln,
    I am seeing that the age of the women depends on the facilty and the image management has of it's staff. The place I interviewed had all younger women. It serviced the upper crust of the wealthier people in the community. Assisted living. It was quite opulent. When a DON's only question to me in an interview is how much money do I want to be paid, I have to think that cost effectiveness and image are the issues at hand .

    See, what you said in a post before..........that they want as much experience as possible for a cheaper price, now that is definitely making sense to me.

    See, if a manager is able to get 18 yrs experience at the price of........a recent grad, well, if I were a manager I would not pass that up. I'd assume too that the second things got better and a few jobs opened you'd be out the door too but, I'd have you at the cheap for until then. I would not put this past hospital admin.

    I'm actually working for 35 cents less than what I made during my first two years as a nurse. I worked two years M/S, travel nursed for two years, then when the economy tanked, went staff. When I decided to become staff again, the picking were slim. I accepted a position on a unit that gave me the challenge I desired, but was by no means thrilled with the hourly wage. Those are the times I guess.

    Another poster said something to the effect of "Those managers would be surprised that we would accept the wage they are giving the younger nurses."

    If thats the case, you are not asking for anything more than the younger nurses are making...........then yes, I too see ageism.
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    Quote from eriksoln
    IDo the nurses claiming they are not being hired R/T age really truly think that is possible?
    Even though I am in my late-twenties, I know that age discrimination occurs in the employment market. I know this for a fact. Not all hiring managers practice it, but enough of them do.

    My former assistant DON, a lady in her early forties, confided in me one day. I asked her, "Why don't you guys like older nurses?" She bluntly replied, "Older nurses tend to be argumentative, set in their ways, and unreceptive to feedback. We love working with younger nurses because they're more flexible and receptive."
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    Quote from nurse_2b?
    Hi Diane,
    I was reading everyone's post regarding shortage of job. I'm sorry to hear that you are having such difficult time after soooo many years of experience in nursing.
    I started my nursing journey 2 years ago when I decided to go back to school...even though I have my mind set on it, I also have a great back up plan so I don't have to rely solely on my nursing's income.

    What other fields are you looking at? If you don't ming sharing. I would love to hear what else would interest a nurse with soooo much experience as you have.

    Regards,

    Luciana
    I don't know about Diane but I have been a nurse for 31 years.............Since I was 18 years old this is the only thing I have ever done, the only thing I have ever wanted to do, the only thing I know how to do.......

    I have looked at other areas in nursing from office nursing to phone triage. Let's see phone triage "We are seeking someone with more experience in this area" or my favourite office nurse "Your qualifications are excellent but we are looking for someone who's qualifications are better suited to this position" Oh! Oh! Let's not forget " Your bedside experience is a little distant.........we are looking for someone with a little more current bedside experience". and from a SNF " you know you are over qualified for this position........"
    ARE YOU KIDDING ME???????? I just want a job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    NEVER in my wildest dreams thought the nursing profession I have spent a lifetime with..........working holidays, weekends,24/7 and driven in blizzards for because if I didn't get there someone couldn't go home, abandon me because I am old and I am too expensive to keep around. I and my family have relied on my nursing salary I make (scratch that one made) great money......back up plan? I didn't think I'd need one.......I mean .......there will always be a need for nurses.....right?

    Oh well, this too shall pass. I still have some unemployment left and Who knows maybe they will vote in a tier 5. I am taking a billing/coding class right now because once unemployment runs out.....something is better than nothing.... right? I am also applying to local schools to be a sub.......pay stinks but something is better than nothing......right? None of these jobs will pay anything close to what I made as a nurse but it will hold off the wolves at the back door until thigns turn around.

    It's just really,really,really sad that what I spent a lifetime perfecting and devoted to isn't there for me ........
    Last edit by Esme12 on Aug 26, '10
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    Quote from TheCommuter
    Even though I am in my late-twenties, I know that age discrimination occurs in the employment market. I know this for a fact. Not all hiring managers practice it, but enough of them do.

    My former assistant DON, a lady in her early forties, confided in me one day. I asked her, "Why don't you guys like older nurses?" She bluntly replied, "Older nurses tend to be argumentative, set in their ways, and unreceptive to feedback. We love working with younger nurses because they're more flexible and receptive."


    HOW TRUE!!!!!!! We argue because we know what is right andwhat is wrong and no we can't be manipulated or bullied into believe some of the half baked ideas that come form some of those in charge........They know we know they are falling short of the mark.......we can't be duped! and that makes them uncomfortable.......boo hoo
    Last edit by Esme12 on Aug 26, '10
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    I just heard from a freind who is older but quite fit. She has been a nurse for 28 years. She is unemployed. She said she felt suicidal. She has been fired from a job for learning too slowly. There were several nurses before her who had been fired freom this DR's office for varoius reasons. She was working 12 hours with no lunch breaks and almost collapsed. She told them it was illegal and they said "we have work to do". It doesn't matter if she reports them for this, it won't get her a job. It might also get her black listed. I have worked under those conditions before too we should all go into business for ourselves. Anyone have any ideas?
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    Quote from Esme12
    HOW TRUE!!!!!!! We argue because we know what is right andwhat is wrong and no we can't be manipulated or bullied into believe some of the half baked ideas that come form some of those in charge........They know we know they are falling short of the mark.......we can't be duped! and that makes them uncomfortable.......boo hoo
    That I can see, and I have only been nursing 4 years.

    I interviewed for a brand new hospital a couple years ago, when I ended up accepting the position I am in now. The very second I stepped into the manager's office I new I was not taking the job.

    HUGE mess in the office. Tons of post its, I never figured out what the original color of the room was because of them all. Right away, one of my biggest red flags of a unit in trouble came up. This manager was in charge of more than one unit. That alone was bad enough, but the unit I was interviewing for was obviously the 2nd unit, meaning we were the one forced on her.

    I could just tell from listening to her talk that she was new to managing. Very new. She LOVED hearing herself talk about how she was going to implement this and that new idea.

    The wonderful idea she was forcing on her nurses that was going to save the world:

    The nurses would transport their pt's from the ER to the unit. Leave the unit, fill out a few forms in the ER to show when you actually took over their care and..........be the transport.

    I know for a fact my disbelief that she was even considering this showed on my face. She quickly changed the subject. The ratios we would have been handed (I was going to work mixed days/evenings) were 6-8 pt's. So, I would have been walking off the unit, leaving 5, 6, maybe 7 other patients alone for half an hour...........to save the hospital the cost of a transport.

    I didn't take the job. From what I understand about that hospital now..............the vast majority of their nurse force has less than two years experience. One girl who ended up on the unit I would have been on has just over two years experience and is night charge nurse every shift.
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    Quote from eriksoln
    I have something to ask that may ruffle some feathers but............I'm curious and......well, if you know me, you know.....I just wouldn't know what to do with myself if someone weren't mad at me (ya know).

    Do the nurses claiming they are not being hired R/T age really truly think that is possible? I have to say, I don't. There are people in their late 50's where I am working and management ADORES them. I realize thats just my experience in my little corner of the world, but here is my problem:

    On one thread, you have you guys claiming you are not being hired R/T age. OK, fine. In numerous other threads throughout this site.............are 20 and 21 year old grads who have not even had an interview. TONS of grads are not finding work.


    I'm just having trouble swallowing the whole "ageism" concept. People of all ages are up against the wall.

    No offense but easy for you to say............you're 37. I had a job at 49, I got laid off due to budgetary constraints and replaced with nurses half my age. It's the finding of a new job that I am having problems with. I am not being hired because of the assumptiom I cost more and 99% of the time I do.........Why not? I have been doing this for 31 years. The new grads are not being hired because it is costly to train them and bring them up to speed so hospitals only hire a few at a time.

    It is an "ageism" concept..........you are not being hired because you are to young and expensive to train or too old and expensive to keep.........funny though, I offered to take a 10.00 an hour pay cut to keep my position as night sup of a small local hospital...............funny, no takers and the other sup my age and the one older..........they got pink slipped too...........now the average age in that position is no longer 53 it's 34......
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    I hear that welders, electricians and plumbers are in short supply. LOL


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