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Ambulatory surgery centers should get ready to face a harsher climate in nurse recruitment over the next few years. Severe shortages of nurses peaked several years ago. Severe nursing shortages... Read More

  1. Visit  DoGoodThenGo profile page
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    Did anyone actually read the article in the OP?

    It would seem, well at least according to the way it was written that all OR nurses are female. Wonder if the writer thinks they still wear those green or blue scrub dresses?
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  2. Visit  CCRNDiva profile page
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    I think that OR management have painted themselves into a corner with their own policies. I was fortunate to have OR scheduled into my clinical experiences during nursing school. Several of us expressed a desire to work in surgery after graduation but we were all told in no uncertain terms that we would not be eligible for hire in the OR. I also work with a couple of young ICU RNs who have applied for OR jobs just to be denied. They don't want to spend the time or the $$ to orient them. OR nursing is like a club where you have to know someone or have connections to get past the velvet rope. So now they are faced with an aging population of OR RNs who may retire once (or if) the economy improves while they have neglected to accept and cultivate the many young or new RNs who would have loved the opportunity to begin a nursing career in the OR. I'm sorry but it's hard to feel their pain.

    By the way, we were fed "the year of med/surg experience before going into specialty" in nursing school as well. I knew that med/surg was not for me (Peds, ICU and OR were the only depts that interested me) and I started my career in the ICU, where I've remained for the past 7yrs.
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  3. Visit  GadgetRN71 profile page
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    Regarding the techs replacing the nurses. This is only for scrubbing, in the vast majority of places. In most places a circulator has to be an RN. You need both in the OR. As a matter of fact, there are surgeries where you don't need a tech, but you always need a circulator. RNs aren't going anywhere in the OR.

    And scrub techs have been around since the 1940's, I'm not sure why people( including the author) are so surprised that they are part of the OR. They won't replace circulators in the OR, if that's what some are worried about.

    Thankfully, in my area the trend is moving toward "growing your own" OR nurses. I try to do my part by providing a good experience when a nursing student comes to the OR. If I have a tech coworker who wants to be an OR nurse someday, I give them my old books/ study guides and provide guidance. I had people who did this for me.

    I do agree that nursing schools should provide more exposure to the OR. The problem that I've run into is that you have instructors who are afraid of the OR or who don't like it for whatever reason. They can do a lot of damage this way.
  4. Visit  netglow profile page
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    Well, hmmm. I'll say that I rarely see OR RN positions advertised in my area. This might be that there are many that like where they are and don't leave?! Not too sure about that . I think it's more been about using scrubs/PA route in the OR in prior years. BUT, I must say that I have recently seen an uptick in registered nurse first assist postings. Prior years it had seem it all was going to PAs+scrubs. IMHO, an experienced nurse first assist has more to offer if you want more bang for your buck.
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  5. Visit  netglow profile page
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    Also...

    What's hard about that is, all this "trend" stuff isn't really even a trend. It happens so quick that when you as an RN turn the boat around to get qualified, and try to find a job in that direction, things have already changed to some other flavor of the moment.
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  6. Visit  GadgetRN71 profile page
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    Quote from onaclearday
    Well, hmmm. I'll say that I rarely see OR RN positions advertised in my area. This might be that there are many that like where they are and don't leave?! Not too sure about that . I think it's more been about using scrubs/PA route in the OR in prior years. BUT, I must say that I have recently seen an uptick in registered nurse first assist postings. Prior years it had seem it all was going to PAs+scrubs. IMHO, an experienced nurse first assist has more to offer if you want more bang for your buck.
    Once nurses choose the OR, they rarely leave. And again, scrubs and PAs don't serve the same functions as OR nurses. Apples and oranges.

    There are places that have an all RN staff in the OR, which I think makes a lot of sense. It's a lot easier to run a schedule with people who can scrub and circulate. An RN can replace a scrub, but a scrub cannot circulate in the OR.
  7. Visit  netglow profile page
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    Yes apples and oranges. For now. There is always talk about how to remove nursing it seems. Who do they think they'd rather have with an adjustment in edu/training. For a while (in my area) PAs seemed to be morphing in to everywhere. Now I see RNFAs being sought after. Maybe they realize now, that RNFAs have more really, to offer in many ways.
  8. Visit  GadgetRN71 profile page
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    Quote from onaclearday
    Yes apples and oranges. For now. There is always talk about how to remove nursing it seems. Who do they think they'd rather have with an adjustment in edu/training. For a while (in my area) PAs seemed to be morphing in to everywhere. Now I see RNFAs being sought after. Maybe they realize now, that RNFAs have more really, to offer in many ways.
    I wouldn't worry about it, there has been talk through the years about nurses being phased out. Won't happen as far as circulating. I am seeing a movement in my area to train nurses to scrub( like they did in the old days). And I've worked with RNFAs in the OR.
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  9. Visit  Kamilia2010 profile page
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    Quote from CCRNDiva
    I think that OR management have painted themselves into a corner with their own policies. I was fortunate to have OR scheduled into my clinical experiences during nursing school. Several of us expressed a desire to work in surgery after graduation but we were all told in no uncertain terms that we would not be eligible for hire in the OR. I also work with a couple of young ICU RNs who have applied for OR jobs just to be denied. They don't want to spend the time or the $$ to orient them. OR nursing is like a club where you have to know someone or have connections to get past the velvet rope. So now they are faced with an aging population of OR RNs who may retire once (or if) the economy improves while they have neglected to accept and cultivate the many young or new RNs who would have loved the opportunity to begin a nursing career in the OR. I'm sorry but it's hard to feel their pain.
    By the way, we were fed "the year of med/surg experience before going into specialty" in nursing school as well.
    If there is such a shortage why the hospital won't offer more OR residency position? I had 2 OR observation opportunities during 2nd year of nursing school, and I know that is what I wanted ever since. I was also lead by "the year of med-surg experience before going into specialty" in nursing school. I graduated in June 2010 (yes a year ago) unable to find a job. Still I applied to any OR residency program I can find, even with no experience.

    It was very discouraging when the nursing recruiter, at level-1 trauma and teaching hospital, told me that they have over 3 hundred applicants for 4 OR residency positions (and discretely hinted how slim my chances are with no experience). But, I kept on applying. And I am starting my OR residency next month at that same level-1 trauma hospital. What the OR nursing managers told me was that my passion and enthusiasm for OR on my cover letter that got me the interview and that passion and enthusiasm landed me the job.

    OR is so specialize that med-surg or other RN experiences don't necessary give you the advantage. The training is usually 6 month to 1 years. And the OR text book I received is the same size as my med-surg text book from nursing school, not including other texts books for equipments and tools used in OR. If you want to be an OR nurse, it is your passion for the field not the experience that will help you.
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  10. Visit  bsnanat2 profile page
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    Congratulations Kamilia2010!!
    I have always felt that, no matter the odds, if I can just get you to hear me out, I'll convince you. Way to stick with it and not let others give up for you!


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