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Oct 28, 2009 07:36 PM

Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"?

Updated Oct 29, 2009 at 05:17 AM by NRSKarenRN

From Advance for Nurses: Nursing (Job) Shortage

'The situation is likely to get worse in many areas of the country before it gets better.'

By Candy Goulette
Posted on: October 14, 2009

If a lack of nursing jobs for new grads is the problem, what's the solution? Time, location and innovative programs may help, but even those are not guarantees...



(sorry mods, this is second post, I forgot to past the article link)

"The benefit to them is that there are so many new grads looking for work they are able to get the cream of the crop, then train them in a standardized way through the residency program," Krozek explained. "
What do you think?

Another interesting quote:
"The baby-boomer nurses won't be the first to leave," he said. "The first will likely be the Gen Xers and Gen Yers who are disgruntled. They may not see a career path for themselves with the older nurses still in place. And even if they don't leave right away, they'll be looking for greener pastures."
The article suggests for new grads to go back to school and advance their education if they can not find work, I am very grateful for my job; I was so burnt out on school I could not imagine going back for my masters this soon!

http://nursing.advanceweb.com/articl...-shortage.aspx


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from Meriwhen
Old Oct 28, 2009, 08:23 PM

Default Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"?
Unfortunately, with the glut of both new and experienced nurses out there, institutions can afford to be choosy and take the "cream of the crop"...and even then, a lot of the "cream" is having a hard time getting hired.

I was lucky enough to get hired (eventually) after graduation, but I'll admit the economy did motivate me to start going back part-time for the BSN because who knows how long I'll have a job? I don't think anyone's position is secure anymore.
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Old Oct 28, 2009, 08:40 PM

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It is my understanding that (some) hospitals will not consider looking at your application unless you have a BSN. Has anyone else heard this??
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from Moogie
Old Oct 28, 2009, 08:40 PM

Default Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"?
Originally Posted by HeartsOpenWide View Post
)The article suggests for new grads to go back to school and advance their education if they can not find work, I am very grateful for my job; I was so burnt out on school I could not imagine going back for my masters this soon!
One of the problems I see with this is mentioned in the article. Will going back for more education necessarily guarantee a job? It would certainly be advantageous, in terms of increased job opportunities for unemployed or underemployed new grad ADN or diploma nurses to get their BSNs or or new grad LPN/LVNs to go back to school to become RNs. By the time those nurses would finish their educational programs, the job market might be very different and they would increase their chances of finding positions.

I'm less enthused about the idea of unemployed new grad BSNs going back to graduate school. I think the idea of funneling inexperienced nurses into MSN programs because they cannot get other nursing jobs is unwise. Those nurses will still be inexperienced at a MSN level. I think there are some individuals who are very motivated and extremely capable of pursuing an advanced practice role, particularly the nurse practitioner role, either in an ELMSN program or immediately after finishing a BSN program. However, nursing experience is always helpful and most benefit from having bedside experience first. I am definitely against having new graduates go on for advanced education to become nurse educators or nurse administrators because again, while theory is important, experience makes that theory relevant. I think it would be very difficult to go directly into nursing education or administration without some sort of clinical experience first.

There's a thread here on AN http://allnurses.com/general-nursing...ce-409123.html debating whether or not nurses wishing to pursue careers in advanced nursing practice need bedside experience before going back for master's degrees in nursing. There are some very interesting comments from advocates on both sides of the issue. Again, I think there are people who are exceptional, but most nurses need a foundation in learning how to be nurses before going on for additional education and advanced practice roles.

Another downside of having unemployed new grad BSNs go directly to graduate school is that, because most MSN programs are specialized, the new grads would end up getting "stuck" in a specialty area that maybe isn't right for them.

Lastly, if institutions are indeed hiring only new grads who are "cream of the crop", then does that mean that the nurses who are not the best of the best would get funneled into higher education if they can't find jobs? Oh, and that's insulting as well---some new grads who ARE the "cream of the crop" are not able to find jobs because of geographical location, maybe a lack of interviewing skills or because someone who was more qualified applied for the same position. One cannot say that they aren't getting jobs because they aren't good enough. But as I see it, that's what this article implies...
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from karenchad
Old Oct 28, 2009, 08:57 PM

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Yes, Many of the big university hospitals (Hospital of the University of Penn, Jefferson) and some of the smaller ones in Philadelphia are like that. Public Health dept.s are like that also. Im getting alittle to nervous about all the talk of us baby boomers being over the hill so to speak, described as "older nurses" and healthcare wanting us to GET OUT. That we are not up on the lastest in nursing- technology, policies and other BS. I think we are up on that and a lot more- we are not new to practice where all our focus is on the getting our skills down, we been there and done that , we can do them blindfolded and in our sleep and many a times had to do just that. Our attention is freed to the other "doings of the dig bats" around us( the cutting of staff and why, the not hiring of new grads and why, the hiring freezes and wage freezes and why, whose cutting budget this time and why, the leaving of nurse managers and WHY, whose salary is cut and whose is not and WHY) It"s the novice to expert senerio. Us old nurses don't take 2 hours to start an IV or 3 hours to do an admission,
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from dscrn
Old Oct 28, 2009, 09:03 PM

Default Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"?
Originally Posted by Moogie View Post
One of the problems I see with this is mentioned in the article. Will going back for more education necessarily guarantee a job? It would certainly be advantageous, in terms of increased job opportunities for unemployed or underemployed new grad ADN or diploma nurses to get their BSNs or or new grad LPN/LVNs to go back to school to become RNs. By the time those nurses would finish their educational programs, the job market might be very different and they would increase their chances of finding positions.

I'm less enthused about the idea of unemployed new grad BSNs going back to graduate school. I think the idea of funneling inexperienced nurses into MSN programs because they cannot get other nursing jobs is unwise. Those nurses will still be inexperienced at a MSN level. I think there are some individuals who are very motivated and extremely capable of pursuing an advanced practice role, particularly the nurse practitioner role, either in an ELMSN program or immediately after finishing a BSN program. However, nursing experience is always helpful and most benefit from having bedside experience first. I am definitely against having new graduates go on for advanced education to become nurse educators or nurse administrators because again, while theory is important, experience makes that theory relevant. I think it would be very difficult to go directly into nursing education or administration without some sort of clinical experience first.

There's a thread here on AN http://allnurses.com/general-nursing...ce-409123.html debating whether or not nurses wishing to pursue careers in advanced nursing practice need bedside experience before going back for master's degrees in nursing. There are some very interesting comments from advocates on both sides of the issue. Again, I think there are people who are exceptional, but most nurses need a foundation in learning how to be nurses before going on for additional education and advanced practice roles.

Another downside of having unemployed new grad BSNs go directly to graduate school is that, because most MSN programs are specialized, the new grads would end up getting "stuck" in a specialty area that maybe isn't right for them.

Lastly, if institutions are indeed hiring only new grads who are "cream of the crop", then does that mean that the nurses who are not the best of the best would get funneled into higher education if they can't find jobs? Oh, and that's insulting as well---some new grads who ARE the "cream of the crop" are not able to find jobs because of geographical location, maybe a lack of interviewing skills or because someone who was more qualified applied for the same position. One cannot say that they aren't getting jobs because they aren't good enough. But as I see it, that's what this article implies...

and if you flash forward, the non cream of the crop that persues higher education, without gaining work knowledge...those will be some of the mgt people of the future....
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Old Oct 28, 2009, 09:45 PM

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The situation here is that even if you are sponsored by a hospital through nursing school it is still not a sure thing that you will get hired. I'm in school with a contract to work for a particular hospital group after graduation. I heard that the last couple of batches of these students, there were some that were not able to get placed- and I think we are the cream of the crop-- hand picked through a big process of application, grades/test scores, essays, and interview. THe hospital invests in our education but still can't always place us. This latest batch of students, they only took people who had a bachelor's degree (does not matter what the degree is in) who were going back to school to become nurses. They are getting more selective.

I heard that about 50% of nurses are nearing retirement, and would be retiring but for the economy. In about five years things should be a lot better with them retiring and needing replacements. Also, if things change with new national legislation, that may be good for nursing jobs.
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Old Oct 28, 2009, 09:45 PM

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"Nursing is the ONLY profession that eats their young"...

Michael
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from Otessa
Old Oct 28, 2009, 10:33 PM

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I agree with "cream of the crop" don't you want the best caring for you??

There would have to be a definition of "cream of the crop" though...
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from Otessa
Old Oct 28, 2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mbarcher View Post
"Nursing is the ONLY profession that eats their young"...

Michael

there are many professions that eat their young...
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