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No. 30
from parfum
Old Oct 29, 2009, 04:31 PM

Default Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"?
Reminds me of the snobby ASN admissions officers who told me that they ONLY accept straight-A students for their nursing programmes and that their waiting list is miles long. Except in one instance where a local had knowledge of them lowering their standards to let in friends of friends of friends....
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No. 31
from TristanT
Old Oct 29, 2009, 04:58 PM

Default Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"?
I graduated from the No. 1 ranked ranked school in the nation. Don't be fooled by the rankings--they are based on research dollars. Nursing schools use the rankings as a marketing ploy because they want your money.
And the nursing recruiters I'm talking to are in 3 states in big cities and small towns. It's the same story:
There
Are
No
Jobs.
Save yourself and be a respiratory therapist.
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No. 32
from CrufflerJJ
Old Oct 29, 2009, 05:12 PM

Default Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"?
Originally Posted by parfum View Post
Reminds me of the snobby ASN admissions officers who told me that they ONLY accept straight-A students for their nursing programmes and that their waiting list is miles long. <snip>
That sounds scary! I'd much rather have a hard working person with decent (not necessarily stellar) grades plus COMMON SENSE in a nursing program (or interviewing for a new grad slot) than a "straight A" person with no other redeeming qualities.
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No. 33
Old Oct 29, 2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TristanT View Post
I graduated from the No. 1 ranked ranked school in the nation. Don't be fooled by the rankings--they are based on research dollars. Nursing schools use the rankings as a marketing ploy because they want your money.
And the nursing recruiters I'm talking to are in 3 states in big cities and small towns. It's the same story:
There
Are
No
Jobs.
Save yourself and be a respiratory therapist.
I partially agree with you. There are 2 rankings by NIH (Research) Funding (what I believe you are referencing) and US News and World Report.

If I wanted to be a respiratory therapist I would have enrolled in the program. This is a career change for me - my choice. I left a C-level executive position to pursue nursing. I am 16 mos away from graduating and am banking on having a resume that reflects someone who has already proven themselves (albiet in another field). All that said, hopefully the job situation you all are describing will have turned around by then.
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No. 34
from Moogie
Old Oct 29, 2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by southernliving View Post
I partially agree with you. There are 2 rankings by NIH (Research) Funding (what I believe you are referencing) and US News and World Report.

If I wanted to be a respiratory therapist I would have enrolled in the program. This is a career change for me - my choice. I left a C-level executive position to pursue nursing. I am 16 mos away from graduating and am banking on having a resume that reflects someone who has already proven themselves (albiet in another field). All that said, hopefully the job situation you all are describing will have turned around by then.
No one anticipated that we would have the current situation with jobs being so hard to find. I hope things turn around, too.

The biggest loss is to the nursing profession. While there currently is a glut, employment cycles show that things will inevitably change. I am concerned that, when the bulk of the Baby Boom nurses retire and the Gen-X nurses find positions other than at the bedside, the only nurses that will be doing direct care are new graduates and the experienced nurses will be gone. Today's new grads, who are tomorrow's experienced nurses,will also be gone to other fields in which they can find jobs. There needs to be a mix of clinical expertise at the bedside.
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No. 35
from TristanT
Old Oct 29, 2009, 06:25 PM

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Oh, nursing is a second career for me too. I was also an executive--bored with the corporate grind and decided to get into the rewarding and challenging field of nursing. Whether it was bad luck with the economy or just a very bad decision on my part... I just try not to go there. But I assure you, life experience means less than nothing when you are being interviewed for these new grad positions. Trust. And the cattle call interviews with all of the 22-year-old new grads talking about how hungover they are from the night before... good times.
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No. 36
from parfum
Old Oct 29, 2009, 06:31 PM

Lightbulb Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"?
thanks to everyone who have pointed out the USA glut in nursing....
i think i shall now just research Physician Assistant programmes instead.
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No. 37
from suni
Old Oct 29, 2009, 06:38 PM

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I don,t agree that we eat our young, I could argue that we kill our old but I won't go there. I feel that many of the grads coming out are ill prepared for the real world due to the limited number of faculty and the instructor to student ratio. There are fewer experiences, it is like being octo-mom! Unfortunately students are not getting what they are paying for and seasoned nurses like myself expect basic med knowledge, basic assessment skills and basic critical thinking skills. It is frustrating and sad to us that this is not happening. Let me clarify by saying there are some new grads who come out and are great but I believe this is due to their motivation and initiative and not to the schools. Many just want spoon fed. I fear for who will take care of me in my senior years but have met many new nurses who also renew my faith in the profession
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No. 38
Old Oct 29, 2009, 06:50 PM

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Have any of you who can't find jobs considered the military? Obviously, this isn't the path for someone with a family and roots, but if you are a new grad with a BSN, the armed forces would probably like to talk to you.

You can go in the service as a 2nd lieutenant (with a BSN). Depending on the branch of the service, you may or may not be deployed. It's worth discussing with a recruiter if you don't have anything keeping you at home, and want some adventure.

Oldiebutgoodie
Proud Mom of an Air Force medic
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No. 39
from dscrn
Old Oct 29, 2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pedinurse5 View Post
Hi! I'm new here, and I cant believe I'm reading this!!!! I work in a pediatric hospital in Texas and we are now doing the residency program. I hate it. They tell all the new grads they are "the creme of the crop" and now that they have all these residence nurses the experienced nurses are being told how dispensible we are by management, that they are now firing people for what ever they do that might be considered "wrong". I dont mean "wrong" as in poor nursing, but literally for not being popular with the manager.

For the most part these nurses are fine, young, all so far under 25, I have yet to see one nurse in her 30's or older. They go thru 4 rotations of 5-6 weeks each in 4 different areas and then are hired based on what they want and what management wants. If you dont like someone and they didnt pick you you get whats left over (which is what our floor got...and she isnt a good nurse, young or not, no way the creme of the crop)

Its not thier fault, but a lot of nurses are upset because its making the ADN nurses feel inadequate. We no longer hire ADN nurses. First LVN, now ADN are getting the boot first. I'm an ADN nurse with 20 yrs experience, I'm also a charge nurse but I'm sick of being told we arent important. I also heard across the board pay increases are coming next year and ADNs will not get as much as BSN (i believe adn will get 2.00, while BSN get 4.00) It wont be long till new grads make as much as i do.

BTW even after 5 months of basically orientation, we still seem to be forced to give them another 3 month orientation. If someone gave me 8 months of orientation I think I would now be queen nurse of the world. If this is a magnat thing (which i think it is) It just goes to show you how they are thinking. I also heard our paramedics are about to get the boot, which is a shame because ours is indispensible to our floor and make about half as much as a nurse and just a few more than a care partner.

We have a lot of nurses, as you all do too, who were book smart, pretty and havent got a lick of sense. Its making me crazy that they are informed on hire that they are the creme' of the crop right off the back. Most of us had to put in blood sweat and tears to get our experience and earned respect. Some of these girls come in expecting the respect they havent earned and have no problems complaining about it.

One told our floor no one wanted to work with us because we didnt know what we were doing, LOL...guess where she works now? Yup with us. Go figure. She has needed a ton of orientation too, 3 months on top of the 5 months.

I'm so glad that there is no longer a nurse shortage. And if they really truley think that is the case, then let them wait, oh...I dunno, 5 yrs and they will be shocked too find whats left. Nurses burn out, and BSN nurses dont want to be floor nurses forever. The baby boomers are at the brink of being elderly..and those nurses with a lot of experience wont be there to train the new nurses. Food for thought.
and my hunch is, the "cream of the crop" will have moved on, not wanting to havsse to deal with working holidays, weekends,short-staffed...so, in comes the next cream of the crop,,,lo and behold, nobody to train them, and the boomers will be coming in as pts///
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