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Oct 29, 2009, 01:00 PM
Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"?
"After becoming licensed, these new graduate nurses could return to school and, through partnerships between the schools and service organizations, such as hospitals, community health or long-term care facilities, they would complete a residency program. It would expand their skill set, competency and confidence," she said. The new nursing grads would not be employed by the partnering organization, such as a hospital, corrections department, primary care provider, hospice or public health institution so they would not get paid, Jones said, "but they would get training and experience that would let them be more employable because they could be brought in at a higher [experience] level, so their time in an orientation program would be shorter."
CINHC is currently accepting requests for proposals from regional collaboratives across the state. The Central Valley and San Diego areas are currently working on collaborative initiatives, for instance, while a $500,000 Moore Foundation grant will support programs in the San Francisco Bay Area."
Wow! They will *let* you get experience....no pay! If you thought pay was bad now, guess what happens when they get new grads for free for a year (timeframe my input....that is usually the starting pt for "experience". And someone MAKES money while you work for free! Not ME! | | Advertisement Sponsored Links | | | | No. 21 |
Oct 29, 2009, 01:31 PM
Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"? Originally Posted by HeartsOpenWide The article suggests for new grads to go back to school and advance their education if they can not find work, I am very grateful for my job; I was so burnt out on school I could not imagine going back for my masters this soon!
Particularly given the apparently common attitude that an advanced degree without concomitant experience is not only worthless... but actually a distinct negative.
To the "cream of the crop" question, that's not really been the case with our class (most of which appears to be cream, anyway)... the few who've been hired are the ones who were fortunate enough to either (a) do preceptorships at facilities with the budget to permit them to hire or (b) who already worked for the facility prior to/during nursing school.
Only one person has found a job "cold."
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Oct 29, 2009, 01:45 PM
Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"? Originally Posted by FLmomof5 "After becoming licensed, these new graduate nurses could return to school and, through partnerships between the schools and service organizations, such as hospitals, community health or long-term care facilities, they would complete a residency program. It would expand their skill set, competency and confidence," she said. The new nursing grads would not be employed by the partnering organization, such as a hospital, corrections department, primary care provider, hospice or public health institution so they would not get paid, Jones said, "but they would get training and experience that would let them be more employable because they could be brought in at a higher [experience] level, so their time in an orientation program would be shorter."
CINHC is currently accepting requests for proposals from regional collaboratives across the state. The Central Valley and San Diego areas are currently working on collaborative initiatives, for instance, while a $500,000 Moore Foundation grant will support programs in the San Francisco Bay Area."
Wow! They will *let* you get experience....no pay! If you thought pay was bad now, guess what happens when they get new grads for free for a year (timeframe my input....that is usually the starting pt for "experience". And someone MAKES money while you work for free! Not ME! 
The new grads would not be employees... and therefore not be covered by SDI, worker's comp, or unemployment... no have access to medical insurance.
Yeah, great gig for the institutions... pretty much a royal screwing for the neophyte nurses.
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Oct 29, 2009, 02:13 PM
Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"? Originally Posted by rn2tobeatlanta If I don't find a job, I am bouncing straight into grad school. I am sorry if some of you think that will make me an inadequate MSN nurse but you know what? I gotta follow the money. I would rather at least have an RN job while I go through. It can only improve skills, not detract.
There are programs out there that straight through BSN-MSN programs with no stopping.
But would you otherwise pursue a graduate degree right after your baccalaureate program if you were otherwise able to find a job? Again, not saying that going straight to a master's program would make you an inadequate MSN but it might not be the best career move at this point in your life. On the other hand, you are in a tough situation and can either spend time working in a non-nursing job to pay the bills or go back to school.
I hope you are able to do what is best for your career, whatever that ends up being. I just hope that you and others in your situation don't get pigeonholed into a career path that isn't right for you; for example, that you end up going for ANP and then realize, halfway through, that you would rather be a CRNA or CNM. KWIM? Originally Posted by rn2tobeatlanta Hospitals around here are now turning away their scholars. They have told some of them that they have do not have openings and they are free to pursue employment elsewhere.
I agree with the person that said hospitals are hiring these young new grads with straight As only. I am a second degree student with a 3.6 GPA and these kids snap up tech jobs left right and center while the second degree students just keep looking. We have professional experience already and yet, they take new hires that have no work experience??
Craziness.
It is! Frankly, as you are a second degree student, I should think you would be very desirable for an employer because of increased maturity and life experience. You are right; it makes very little sense. I hope things turn around for you and that you are able to find something that works well for you and your future. ETA: as a second degree student, I think you may have a greater chance of success going directly from a baccalaureate program into a master's program. Do check out some of the threads here posted by DEMSN students to see what their experiences are as yours would be somewhat similar.
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Oct 29, 2009, 02:25 PM
Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"? Originally Posted by FLmomof5 "After becoming licensed, these new graduate nurses could return to school and, through partnerships between the schools and service organizations, such as hospitals, community health or long-term care facilities, they would complete a residency program. It would expand their skill set, competency and confidence," she said. The new nursing grads would not be employed by the partnering organization, such as a hospital, corrections department, primary care provider, hospice or public health institution so they would not get paid, Jones said, "but they would get training and experience that would let them be more employable because they could be brought in at a higher [experience] level, so their time in an orientation program would be shorter."
CINHC is currently accepting requests for proposals from regional collaboratives across the state. The Central Valley and San Diego areas are currently working on collaborative initiatives, for instance, while a $500,000 Moore Foundation grant will support programs in the San Francisco Bay Area."
Wow! They will *let* you get experience....no pay! If you thought pay was bad now, guess what happens when they get new grads for free for a year (timeframe my input....that is usually the starting pt for "experience". And someone MAKES money while you work for free! Not ME! 
Now, do these programs provide the resident nurses' room and board? Or are the program participants expected to fend for themselves while working for free? Additionally, are student loans deferred while the participants are making no income? And, who pays for the additional education?
In theory, this sounds like a great idea. But the reality is---new grads have bills to pay and families to support. They can't afford to work for free, no matter what advantages there might in terms of their careers. Also, would these institutions guarantee that they would hire the participants?
Another concern that I see is the type of institutions that are being proposed as appropriate for such programs. LTC? I don't think there are many BSN graduates who want careers in LTC---and I don't see many LTC facilities that clamor for BSN grads because they are too expensive. From the article, it sounds that this program could end up benefitting many employers but leaving the new grads out in the cold.
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Oct 29, 2009, 02:33 PM
Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"? Originally Posted by ♪♫ in my ♥ To the "cream of the crop" question, that's not really been the case with our class (most of which appears to be cream, anyway)... the few who've been hired are the ones who were fortunate enough to either (a) do preceptorships at facilities with the budget to permit them to hire or (b) who already worked for the facility prior to/during nursing school.
Only one person has found a job "cold."
I am sorry to hear that your class is having difficulty finding jobs. From what you have said about your program in other posts, it sounds like an excellent school. I know you are in an DEMSN program but, out of curiosity, may I ask what the focus is? Are most of you going for CNL or an advanced practice role such as NP? And are you and your classmates looking for positions in advanced practice or as CNLs or as bedside nurses?
Another person posted about the interview process of having several nurse managers fire questions at one prospective applicant; this was supposed to be a way to get the "cream of the crop" and not rely only on grades. Good grief---that sounds like a horribly intimidating process for anyone, new grad or experienced nurse. I KNOW that I would not have had the self-confidence to have gone through that, especially as a new graduate.
I wish you the best and hope you find something. Today's new grads are tomorrow's experienced nurses, but NO ONE at the administrative level seems to quite grasp that.
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Oct 29, 2009, 03:23 PM
Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"? Originally Posted by Moogie I am sorry to hear that your class is having difficulty finding jobs. From what you have said about your program in other posts, it sounds like an excellent school. I know you are in an DEMSN program but, out of curiosity, may I ask what the focus is? Are most of you going for CNL or an advanced practice role such as NP? And are you and your classmates looking for positions in advanced practice or as CNLs or as bedside nurses?
Another person posted about the interview process of having several nurse managers fire questions at one prospective applicant; this was supposed to be a way to get the "cream of the crop" and not rely only on grades. Good grief---that sounds like a horribly intimidating process for anyone, new grad or experienced nurse. I KNOW that I would not have had the self-confidence to have gone through that, especially as a new graduate.
I wish you the best and hope you find something. Today's new grads are tomorrow's experienced nurses, but NO ONE at the administrative level seems to quite grasp that.
The focus of the MSN portion of our program is CNL which I think is something of a misnomer since the emphasis is really on systems and processes... Coming out of the high-tech process industry, it was mostly review and application of my existing knowledge and skill set to the acute care setting. It's an educational foundation from which I think most nurses would benefit...
None of the folks in our class are looking for CNL positions... we all just need to get experience and learn how to be nurses... the whole novice-to-expert thing. That said, I've talked to a couple of folks who are working and they've already identified opportunities to apply their CNL training in their new clinical jobs.
Personally, I have no intention of ever working as a CNL per se - I just want to be a bedside nurse. However, the mindset and CNL skills are useful even working as a bedside nurse.
| | No. 28 |
Oct 29, 2009, 03:50 PM
Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"? Originally Posted by TristanT As a "cream of the crop" (LMAO) new grad BSN I've encountered a number of nurse recruiters who are just downright condescending and nasty to BSN job candidates. I'm back in school part-time because I can't get a job mopping a floor in a hospital. One recruiter even shook my hand after an interview and said, "I'm sure you'll be a very educated person." LADY, I JUST WANT A JOB.
I hear you, Tristan.
That's my thing... just give me a chance... you're going to be so happy that you did...
As a nurse manager just told me yesterday... they're receiving literally hundreds (that's MULTIPLES of 100) of applications for any position posted and they are screening aggressively simply in order to have a manageable pile to review... He fully acknowledges that he's probably not even looking at large numbers of excellent candidates. He says he usually just hires folks that precepted on his unit during school... so if the unit you precepted on doesn't have any money to hire then you're facing a seriously up-hill climb unless you can meet nurse managers face-to-face. The challenge there, as he said, is that most of them are very busy and don't have time to be chatting with new grads on a daily or even weekly basis.
It's all about networking.
By and large, lots of new grads are going to be screwed... I'm just busting my butt to make sure I'm not one of 'em. I hope I don't fail 'cuz my options are seriously limited. Nursing was supposed to be a fairly safe move in terms of finding a job after finishing school. And to think I turned down an excellent job offer in order to start nursing school.
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Oct 29, 2009, 04:27 PM
Re: Only hiring new grads that are "cream of the crop"? Originally Posted by TristanT As a "cream of the crop" (LMAO) new grad BSN I've encountered a number of nurse recruiters who are just downright condescending and nasty to BSN job candidates. I'm back in school part-time because I can't get a job mopping a floor in a hospital. One recruiter even shook my hand after an interview and said, "I'm sure you'll be a very educated person." LADY, I JUST WANT A JOB.
This thread is depressing me.....
Are you finding this sort of attitude in big city/big hospital environments? Does the "brand name" of the nursing school carry any weight? i.e., I hope to begin nursing school in Spring 2010 at the University of MD (ranked #7 in the nation.
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