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No. 10
from talaxandra
Old Sep 28, 2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HonestRN View Post
I don't believe they are looking merely at BMI's but lifestyles.
Sorry, I should have responded to this before - the researchers may have looked at lifestyle rather than, or in addition to, BMI but the very clear message is about size, not lifestyle, as evidenced in this thread's title: Obesity is the leading cause of cancer.

Also, the National Cancer Institute may have found that 3.2% of 2002 cancer cases were linked to obesity and that 14% of cancers in men and 20% of cancers in women were "due to" overweight and obesity.

However, we also know that the initial scare figure of 400,000 obesity-related deaths a year has, on review of the methods and claculations, been revised down to 26,000. Not only were the projections so significantly fllawed that wevery American death in a person under 65 would have had to be caused by obesity, we now know from skewed mortality figures that weight was counted as the cause of death regardless of other factors factored in regardless of other contributors (eg being hit by a car).

We also know that more Americans are overweight or obese (those figures are always conflated) than "normal" or underweight. And we know that
Heart disease, stroke, and cardiovascular disease are all down dramatically in the last 20 years. Mortality rates in nine of the ten types of cancer most associated with obesity have dropped in the last 15 years. Overall cancer rates and deaths from cancer have dropped every year for the last ten years. (source as before)
Hmm. If 67.2% of American men and 61.9% of American women are obese or overweight (source) but only 14% & 20% of cancers (respectively) are obesity related, the cancer-protective nature of fat seems even higher than I thought. Hmm - statistics: they can be anybody's friend.
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No. 11
Old Sep 29, 2009, 05:47 PM

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I'm not sure what in this study is so upsetting. Never in the link do they say that obese people should be thin. It says, "Get moving!"

As far as this supposed widespread fear of obesity (be thin or die mentality), weight loss recommendations of other reputable sites that say losing 10% of body weight may be enough to increase health benefits. (An example is http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/los...ght/index.html). If you're 300 pounds, losing 30 pounds is certainly not going to make you thin, but apparently it's shown to make an improvement in health. Certainly being thin is not the ultimate goal (unless one is watching infomercial that is selling a questionable weight loss program). This is not upsetting, either.

Honestly, one doesn't get obese by eating leafy greens and walking an hour a day. One certainly may be overweight and healthy and do these things, but the study referred to in the first post of this thread isn't describing those people who are simply overweight and participating in healthy behaviors.
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No. 12
from talaxandra
Old Sep 29, 2009, 06:23 PM

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I'm not upset, which implies some kind of emotional distress, just tired of the media perpetrating the same disinformation as fact. There are inbuilt assumptions in the release that reinforce a stereotype and image of fat people that is not necessarily true.

For example: the statement "Never in the link do they say that obese people should be thin. It says, "'Get moving!'" presupposes that fat people are not already moving. The notion that a 10% weight reduction can improve health outcomes incorportes the assumption that being fat in itself causes health issues, rather than a combination of diet, lifestyle, exercise, yo-yo dieting and the stress of being stigmatised.

When a society stigmatises the fat, when sales clerks are ruder and more abrupt with fat customers, and school children would rather be friends with disabled or facial deformed peers than fat ones, I don't think it's a "supposed widespread fear." We can reinforce this position by maintaining a focus on weight, as though that's the problem, or we can talk about diet and lifestyle regardless of size. There aren't many headlines saying "minimal exercise and a poor diet leading cause of cancer," but thin people can have crappy diets and sedentary lives, it's just not as externally obvious. It's easier to point the finger at a segment of the population based on the visible than address a nation's patterns of behaviour as a whole.
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No. 13
from tempest
Old Sep 30, 2009, 12:42 AM

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excess fat is disgusting. period.
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No. 14
from psychonaut
Old Sep 30, 2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tempest View Post
excess fat is disgusting. period.
I'm assuming that by "excess" you mean any body fat above the ~3%(men)/~9%(women) needed to sustain human life?
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No. 15
from leslie :-D
Old Sep 30, 2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tempest View Post
excess fat is disgusting. period.
excess ignorance is even more disgusting. period.

leslie
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No. 16
Old Sep 30, 2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tempest View Post
excess fat is disgusting. period.
Well, that was helpful.
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No. 17
Old Sep 30, 2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by applescruffette View Post
If you're 300 pounds, losing 30 pounds is certainly not going to make you thin, but apparently it's shown to make an improvement in health.

I can tell you from experience that even a morbidly obese individual can reap health benefits from losing a relatively small amount of weight.

A year ago I was 357 lbs. and could barely walk around my workplace without getting out of breath. I was also diabetic, and my triglycerides were over 500. Today, I'm sixty pounds lighter and my fasting glucose is 85, triglycerides have dropped below 300, total cholesterol is 184, and my blood pressure has dropped from 190/110 on multiple meds to an average 145/85 on just two. I can also stand and walk for hours on end, and I can get down on the floor and play with my grandchildren.

Yes, I'm still fat---well, to be honest, I remain in the morbidly obese category---but compared with where I was a year ago, I'm well on my way to better days. And even if something goes sideways and I get sick somewhere down the line, the effort will still have been worth it IMO.
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No. 18
Old Sep 30, 2009, 07:06 PM

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I have no better words for your accomplishments than you rock and I really think your progress is incredible. I believe that you help us people in our old tattered shoes in various stages of weight loss with your updated accomplishments because you not only give us your measurable accomplishments (like pounds off and lab values), but your way of looking at the journey is quite insightful, IMO.

Originally Posted by VivaLasViejas View Post
I can tell you from experience that even a morbidly obese individual can reap health benefits from losing a relatively small amount of weight.

A year ago I was 357 lbs. and could barely walk around my workplace without getting out of breath. I was also diabetic, and my triglycerides were over 500. Today, I'm sixty pounds lighter and my fasting glucose is 85, triglycerides have dropped below 300, total cholesterol is 184, and my blood pressure has dropped from 190/110 on multiple meds to an average 145/85 on just two. I can also stand and walk for hours on end, and I can get down on the floor and play with my grandchildren.

Yes, I'm still fat---well, to be honest, I remain in the morbidly obese category---but compared with where I was a year ago, I'm well on my way to better days. And even if something goes sideways and I get sick somewhere down the line, the effort will still have been worth it IMO.
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