NYSNA CFO indited for embezzelement - page 2

north country gazettehead of nurses group indicted for embezzlement north country gazette, ny - 1 hour ago ... the former chief financial officer for the new york state nurses association who ...... Read More

  1. by   SmilingBluEyes
    No, we (the moderation team) don't discourage lively and provocative debate. We, however, don't tolerate deliberate flaming and insulting of other members. If one can't present an articulate argument without doing this, then he/she will have already lost the battle to the "other side" as few will bother to even try to understand what is being said when they feel directly attacked. Point will then, be lost.

    Enjoy the thread!
  2. by   UM Review RN
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    No, we (the moderation team) don't discourage lively and provocative debate. We, however, don't tolerate deliberate flaming and insulting of other members. If one can't present an articulate argument without doing this, then he/she will have already lost the battle to the "other side" as few will bother to even try to understand what is being said when they feel directly attacked. Point will then, be lost.

    Enjoy the thread!
    Well said, Deb.
  3. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Thank you Angie.
  4. by   subee
    Quote from Angie O'Plasty, RN
    I dunno. I wasn't really taken with the post stating that my anti-union remark was "cheap" or "sophomoric" either. But who knows how I came across; it's easy to misunderstand words in print.

    I didn't feel like I was tiptoeing around the fence on that one because it can be difficult to present an unpopular opinion. I used to believe in organizations like NYSNA, thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. But they have no teeth.

    So I have to wonder how many of us throw our money away on organizations like this--unions, nurses' associations--and get nothing back but the same lousy working conditions that perpetuate the shortage in the first place.

    Then some clown pulls a stunt like this.

    Am I the only one who sees the irony of a man running what is predominantly a woman's organization? Am I the only one who wonders how he got away with so much for so long?

    Doesn't anyone else see the s/s that it's because the organization itself is too imbued with supporting the status quo to make any significant changes?

    Or am I just being cynical, seeing yet another prime example of nurses throwing their potential power away. Again.

    Jeez, embezzlement can happen anywhere. The guy is an accountant -not a nurse. A nursing organization should hire a nurse to be a cfo? He doesn't
    "run" the organization. The organization's nursing policies can be dictated by nurses only. If any SNA is ineffective, the main culprit is lack of membership. NYSNA represents only a small portion of nurses in NY, but they provide services to ALL nurses - members or not. The peer assistance program is available 24/7 to ALL nurses whether they're members or not and it costs a lot of money to fund the program. If every RN in the state of New York were represented by NYSNA, working conditions would be very different. I've worked in both kinds of hospitals and the ones with NYSNA representation have better working conditions. And, because they have nurses who work in NYSNA committees, the nurses are much more aware of professional issues among the specialties. Its not the same as being represented by the Teamsters or the teacher's unions because its involved with many other issues besides working conditions. No legislation could be passed in the state involving nursing issues if NYSNA didn't exist and we would never be able to move forward without it. I'm not employed by any hospital - I'm a mere observer to what goes on in the nursing department. I still belong simply because I'm a nurse and not to belong because the dues are "too much" or they "don't do enough" or they're "elitist" are only cop-outs.
  5. by   oramar
    There is so much of this in the world. Sometimes I hear rumors that other institutions(of all types) have had similar problems but dealt with it in a hush, hush way that keeps it out of paper. Do any of you suspect that it happens even more often than we hear?
  6. by   Gromit
    It DOES happen more often than we hear -no question about that.
    Just as the news tends to exaggerate or sensationalize to sell papers (ad time, whatever).

    While I don't see the Union as the panacea that Ingelein seems to view it as, I do actually agree that it would be better for us all if we DID unite under a common union or organization. There is no question at all (or shouldn't be) that we would be a very powerful lobby if we did. Just take a look at the NRA -its composed of folks who are very pro-2nd amendment, but from all walks of life (hunters, target shooters, firearms enthusiasts who have little else in common, etc) and like them or not, you couldn't possibly deny the power they wield when pro gun-control organizations try to pass yet more laws restricting or even abolishing that particular constitutional right. There is no reason that we nurses couldn't wield that kind of power as well.
    Any who have read my posts (and Ingelein could probably testify to that effect ) knows I'm not much of an advocate of unions. Ive been a member of them (Teamsters were the union I belonged to when I was in EMS, years ago) and I've worked alongside members of other unions (primarily in construction when I worked as a safety coordinator) but there is no denying that they CAN be a major force for change, when run properly.
    Hospitals cater to doctors more than to any other group. But NO hospital would be able to function without the support and often sacrifice of the nurses. Doctors certainly aren't going to do the work, and nobody else CAN do it -most docs couldn't if they wanted to. Simply put, we have more power than we let ourselves believe. We SHOULD have better working conditions and pay that is commensurate with our efforts and abilities. Why SHOULDN'T the officers of the hospitals and nursing homes (etc) bend a bit and cater to US for a change?
  7. by   Simplepleasures
    Quote from Gromit

    While I don't see the Union as the panacea that Ingelein seems to view it as, I do actually agree that it would be better for us all if we DID unite under a common union or organization. There is no question at all (or shouldn't be) that we would be a very powerful lobby if we did.
    Any who have read my posts (and Ingelein could probably testify to that effect ) knows I'm not much of an advocate of unions.
    Simply put, we have more power than we let ourselves believe. We SHOULD have better working conditions and pay that is commensurate with our efforts and abilities. Why SHOULDN'T the officers of the hospitals and nursing homes (etc) bend a bit and cater to US for a change?
    Ah Gromit, its a bit condescending to say I view unions as a panacea, I have repeated over and over again on this forum that I KNOW there are problems with unions, I also have said there is a way to get rid of a bad union, BUT not to allow a vacume to be left behind, fill it with a union with some clout.My daughter is a labor/ employment attorney, does NOT work for any unions, works for a governmental agency, her dealings with unions and my own experience has shown me what happens to unprotected workers. My son in law a CEO ,very anti union, actually CONDONES unions for nurses d/t the nature of their work and the nature of healthcare corporations.

    I guess what I started out saying here is, what is the alternative to no unions? As problematic as some unions are, IF we start union shopping and giving unions the impetis to improve themselves , just maybe we can come up with a solution . The word UNION seems to have such a negative connotation that so many people are ready to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Hey! I wonder if we renamed unions with something like,hmm, lets say "Save your A** Fellowship", or maybe "Anti Evil Empire Coalition". OK I know Im being silly.
  8. by   Gromit
    No insult was intended, and I fully agree that we should have representation -I'm just cautious about it Having been stung made me a little gunshy, but not having any representation has certainly not done much for this profession.
    Hmm, I rather like the SYAF idea (grin. Thats more my style anyway! And it would make a pretty cool helmet sticker.... )
  9. by   Simplepleasures
    Quote from Gromit
    No insult was intended, and I fully agree that we should have representation -I'm just cautious about it Having been stung made me a little gunshy, but not having any representation has certainly not done much for this profession.
    Hmm, I rather like the SYAF idea (grin. Thats more my style anyway! And it would make a pretty cool helmet sticker.... )
    Hey if you like SYAF, how about some slogans, "Nurses with Ba** Unite!",( and I dont mean just males) or hmm..... anybody else think of any good ones?

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