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  1. by   biker nurse
    Are we going to have to go back to diploma programs? If this continues hospital will have to train nurses again which will mean free employment
  2. by   kalylies
    I have just been turned down after my second time applying to the nursing program at my school. I have been taking classes for 2 1/2 years while working full-time as a Paramedic. My sister-in-law got into the program on her first attempt. She is a stay-at-home-mom whose kids are all in school, which affords her plenty of quiet study time. Meanwhile, between EMS runs, I am studying my butt off and have a 3.0 GPA and I can't even get accepted into the program. I know that I can do it. I have been taking care of patients for over 10 years. And, to top it all off, my new past-time is explaining procedures and physiology of disease processes to my sister-in-law to help her through school. Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge her anything. She worked hard to get in too. It just ticks me off because I am helping her and I can't even get in myself!!! I know I can make it through the program, if they will just give me a chance.
  3. by   smk1
    Quote from traumaRUs
    Yes and this will continue until we value advanced education. I actually received a phone call from a local school of nursing that asked me (sight unseen I migh add), to teach for them.

    However, at 48 with student loans to repay, I can't take that kind of pay cut.

    Pay me more and I'll teach. I do teach CPR, ACLS, ENPC and do some occasional trauma lectures too. However, this is strictly as a volunteer.
    I am just 30 and I have already pretty much given up on the idea of becoming a nurse educator. i would have to get my masters after my ADN and take time off of work to do so, then take a pay cut, yet work more hours. Unless my schooling was fully paid for it just wouldn't be a fiscally responsible decision for my family. My hat is off to all of you who teach us young "nurses".
  4. by   sdmama
    Whole situation seems like a catch 22
  5. by   Adria
    Quote from HARRN2b
    What about bringing in foreigners to teach? I am just thinking out loud.
    Nice idea but I don't think it would work since programs are different overseas and qualified foreign nurses would just work in hospitals for the higher pay.
  6. by   CityKat
    Speaking from experience with foreign professors and NOT meant to hurt anyones feelings or make anyone mad....

    Recently my professor left because no one could understand her English. It wasn't that she was a bad professor. But when it came to explaining, it was many times, difficult to understand her. Speaking as a student and having experienced a foreign professor, this is not the way to go. Then again, not all foreign professors are going to have a language barrier of some sort. Teachers in all areas are paid WAY UNDER what they are DESERVING and this is the root cause.

    It's a shame the government can't figure this out. Or, they could care less. I think it is the later.
  7. by   Freedom42
    Want to get the best nursing instructors into the classroom? Boost the pay. Period.

    I respectfully disagree with the arguments that we do not value higher education and that teachers in all areas are undervalued. Take a look at the salaries paid to professors in other professional programs. At the public institutions in my home state, for example, law professors earn in the low six figures, while nursing profs with Ph.Ds are earning in the high forties. Why? Last time I checked, there was no shortage of lawyers -- and no looming crisis in the litigation industry. (Please note that I am not saying that law profs shouldn't be paid that much. I'm saying that they are paid a competitive wage. So are business and engineering professors. But the nurse who would teach a profession dominated by women is not. Why?) We're willing to pay competitive salaries to people who teach students how to turn a profit.

    We wouldn't suggest bringing in foreign workers to take away jobs in other industries and thereby keep the wages depressed. Why do that to nursing instructors?

    You don't have to take my word for it. Take a look at the plan unveiled by Idaho's Republican governor. He wants to boost nursing faculty salaries as part of a $42 million plan to stave off the nursing shortage in his home state.

    http://www.idahostatesman.com/103/story/58216.html

    If I sound frustrated, I am. I have a fantastic nursing professor this semester, a 25-year critical care veteran with a Ph.D. She gives 120 percent every day. She's worth a lot more than $47,000.
  8. by   flyingsolo
    I am borrowing a total of 15 thousand dollars to attend a 3-semester second-degree program. When I finish, I expect to find a job, and pay that back, after I pay off my mortgage, which won't be immediate. I do not see why anyone would complain about student loan debt when you can pay it back, at a reasonable rate, while earning a decent salary. Why do people complain about student loan debt? I would love to get a faculty job somewhere, because I could still work a couple of days a week at nights, so my income would still be substantial. What's to complain about?
  9. by   kate1114
    Quote from sdmama
    Whole situation seems like a catch 22
    And depending on your location, sometimes you can be totally qualified and still not find a job.

    I have a MSN in nursing administration. During my coursework, I decided I wanted to teach, so my electives are in curriculum design and a teaching practicum. I was encouraged to apply for a teaching position at my school (same one I got my BSN from) but when I graduated, they didn't have any peds spots open. My two other classmates from the admin track were hired. My dean said to get a PhD, and she would hire me.

    I started the PhD, then stopped when we had to move across country. While in school I did teach one semester of peds clinicals through a community college/hospital hybrid program and I loved it. I have also guest lectured before.

    Now I'm in a new smaller city, with 2 progams in town that I can't break into. I worked exclusively in NICU and PICU and have precepted extensively. I just switched to adult ICU with the idea that this experience would put me on an additional level. Money won't be as much of an issue as we've been living on my salary exclusively for 3 years while my husband pursues a graduate degree. When he graduates, our income will more than double. Also, I'm looking at continuing my PhD.

    So if I can't get a teaching job within the next 2 years, I'm just about to give up!
  10. by   labrador4122
    Quote from nrskarenrn
    nursing schools reject increased number of applicants over lack of ...
    kaiser network.org - washington,dc,usa

    nursing schools nationwide rejected more than 41,000 qualified applicants in 2005, compared with 33,000 in 2004 and 18,000 in 2003, and three out of four schools attributed the increased rejections in large part to an insufficient number of faculty members, according to an annual survey conducted by the american association of colleges of nursing, [color=#394b6b]usa today reports.

    as the 2006 academic year begins, 7.9% of faculty positions at nursing schools remain vacant, and, in response, a number of schools have launched programs to help increase the number of faculty members with help from the federal government, hospitals and the health insurance industry....

    that is amazing, and that is about the time that i got rejected. but lucky me, i found one that had a waiting list. waited 1 year 8 months to start but hey now i am an rn.
  11. by   labrador4122
    what I don't understand--- is when you are qualified-- you have the desire--- you apply 5x to the school and they still don't take you in! while some people get in with scholarships and interview but fail or quit during the first semester! I find that unfair!
  12. by   MAISY, RN-ER
    My foreign nursing instructors consisted of heavily accented, and or, former physicians who couldn't make the cut here and became nurses. Totally unreasonable-nurses with physician temperments. Their way of looking at questions was from the point of a physician, definately not a nurse. I believe that was a worse way for an untried, non-experienced nurse to learn.

    LETTERS, HOW I HATE THEM! Have a huge business background with million dollar budgets. Have had 50+ employees at any given time....yet I spend time in classrooms with nursing instructors who have not been in the field in years...who don't have a clue of how business runs...who I find it difficult to believe ever practiced hands on nursing and who drive me nuts! YET, they have letters....gives them the right to teach. Who hires teachers, OH THAT'S RIGHT...PEOPLE WITH LETTERS BEHIND THEIR NAMES!

    Worst yet are other disciplines teaching nursing-currently have an RT who got his MBA....want to kill myself every week listening to his stupid a$$ talk! He's a dumba$$! Then there was the amazing (in his own mind) physician for advanced pathophysiology, that kept saying things like "you nurses, wouldn't know this", another one I had issues listening to.

    I believe many nurses regardless of level would be excellent with onsite clinicals and for lectures. Just because you can read or write a book-does not a teacher make! When I think back to the code simulations that were run THEY WERE HORRIBLE! Even then I'd ask suggest the instructors run "real" code so that the students could see the synergy that occurs. They never did....so not informative. Just idiot students who'd never done it stumbling over each other with a dummy. I had great instructors and instructors who lectured but didn't understand their own material. I have serious problems with that.

    Anyway, in school possibly to teach..I will continue to work ER, but as per diem if I can get a teaching job. The hassles of 13 hours shifts are wearing me down, as is the continual high acuities and lack of administrative support for staffing and low ratios. I need to watch my license, if they won't. I would also like to help prepare students for their future of patient advocacy. Especially the young ones. Without a backbone you are dead meat!

    Geez, I could go on forever....sorry.

    Maisy

    PS Northern NJ nursing shortage a thing of the past....don't expect anyone without a BSN getting a job this year.

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