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- Jul 26, '09 by SandraCVRNQuote from Habla?Our hospital is still full and so is our OR, we are actually doing 100 jobs in 100 days with big insentives all around. We can't fill our positions (which are available due to woefull understaffing by the previous CEO) Yes we are looking for experieced nurses but also had a lot of GN positions open.......It is the economy, no money for elective surgery; and, many people are unemployed and now without health insurance. Hospitals have closed 15% to 20% their beds in medium and major population areas.
As the economy recovers and people have money for elective surgery and health insurance enrollment picks up, so will the business through the front doors of the hospitals and hospitals will be opening up those beds and wings again.
Also, many areas have too many beds for the population --- classic over build --- good economy or bad, and new nurses should consider moving to areas with fewer beds to population ratios.
- Jul 27, '09 by 422jdbAs for the school being so "optimistic" about the profession that they are increasing their class size, might I suggest this has more to do with money than anything else? There was an interesting article in the NYT within the past month or so that was basically an open forum for people to write in and discuss the value of their master's degrees in this recession. Overwhelmingly, most thought they were not worth it. But what I found relevant to the nursing job market discussion was the person who commented that education is a commodity - and that one should not make an inference about the number of jobs available in a field from the number of schools who offer the degree in an area. There's not a relationship and nursing indicates that.
My predictions? The folks who are going into nursing who are older are going to have an even shorter time in the field than someone who starts out young. We all know nursing is physically demanding and there will be a point where they just physically cannot do it. So the notion that we are going to solve the unemployment problem for 40-50 year old former autoworkers is a fallacy.
What concerns me as a nursing student is the large numbers of undergraduates who are now pursuing the field. I believe that to the extent that there was even a nursing shortage to begin with, this Great Recession will put an end to it for some time. People are going to be clamoring to get into this field for years because people have good memories - they've seen their parents jobs disappear, the dire economic news, etc. And they have responded by putting the acceptable rates at some schools close to single digits.
Don't go into this field for the job security. It's going to be there for some time yet but the day is coming when we will be a dime a dozen.
- Jul 28, '09 by AgrippaEven with the large number or people entering the field, even more people are aging and retiring. The average age of nurses is above age 30.
Furthermore, I am confident that this lul in hiring of RN's is due to the economy and is temporary. Mainly, CEO's of hospitals are just deciding not to hire nurses since they see us as "cost" centers. So its not that the need isn't there, they're just hoping to get by for the time being short staffed and with dangerous patient/nurse ratios. For some, it won't be until something catastrophic happens and they get sued that they will finally realize that its cheaper (and ethical) to have proper staffing ratios.
- Jul 28, '09 by DanainOrlandoHere's my take on this. I am sure it is much harder for a new grad to get hired as a nurse right now, especially at desirable locations. However, I'm used to this; I was a newspaper reporter for a long time. Every time I wanted a new job I had to move to another city; most cities only have one newspaper, and each newspaper only has anywhere from a few reporters to a few dozen reporters, so it is a REALLY tight competitive industry when it comes to jobs.
To get work, I have also volunteered to work part time until something full time opened up - it always did - and also freelanced until a job opened up.
I am not saying that I think it's easy to find work out there right now, but I see people mention things like "the only job available was two hours away" - I mean, when you first graduate from school, in ANY field, unfortunately, it's hard to be choosy! When I graduate, if I get offered a job two hours away, I will be THRILLED. And I will move, and take that job, and in a year or two I will have that magical year of experience and be more desirable to employers.
- Jul 28, '09 by KeepingItRealEeyoreI want to think who ever posted the link to the mollen immunization clinic. Because of you I have found some work. Even though it is seasonal, i'll take and am happy to have it. At least I will have something to add to the resume.
for those looking for work go their website www.flushotsusa.com.
I appplied online sunday morning and by monday morning got a call back and got emailed the documents to fill out ot start working .
Who knew one could get excited about filling out a tax form.
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- Jul 30, '09 by MissLoudaI have to agree... the job market is rough for us new graduates. Hawaii is the worst place to try and find a job. I have no problem leaving and have a job interview in Texas. If I get the job, not only will I take it because I would love to experience life in Texas.... it's a job that is willing to hire me into the acute care world.
I have friends who after 1-2 years are still waiting for jobs here in Hawaii. I also have friends who are looking out of state and are getting their applications denied. I think you have to travel out of what you are used to in order to get some experience and try not to be too picky. Seems like the desirable cities are overly saturated and there are lots of great hospitals just outside these cities if new grads would give it a shot.
Good luck to all my fellow new graduates... I feel your pain but I know that with "time" something will come up :wink2:
- Aug 10, '09 by KeepingItRealEeyoreHey All,
I'm still on the hunt for a permanant job as nurse. i'm excited about my seasonal flu shot job, but I have to keep one step ahead of the game. Time is passing by and nothing seems to be panning out. I'm not a new graduate, but i'm not experienced. I don't know what to call myself. I have applied to new grad programs and also positions that I'm not under qualified for. I don't fit into a category that the nursing recruiters can place me in. I thought I was over being fired from my first job as a RN that lasted less than three months , but memories pass come to revisit me when I call up places to find out why I didn't get a position I applied for. Places don't call , email, or even write letters stating that the job has been filled. I'm tired of calling places and getting we can't call everyone. my first job experience as a RN was bad. It is what it is. But I seem to can't move on because places are on hiring freezes, I'm not considered new, and I'm not experienced, ( CAN SOME ONE TELL ME WHAT I AM THEN!!!) I KNOW RIGHT NOW I'M ONE TICKED OFF PERSON. One place I called up told me that for their new graduate program that it is only for people who have no expereince working as nurse. I wouldn't call my 1st nursing job experience, it was more like a journey through H#LL!!!!!!!! I'm tired of calling, emailing and mailing correspondence only to get nothing. I'm also tired of hearing the job market is tough and to keep trying, and that the economy will turn around. TELL ME SOMETHING I DON"T KNOW!!! How about other avenues of jobs I can pursue where having a nursing degree might be useful, how to explain what I have been doing since last employed besides job hunting.
What sucks even more is this whole healthcare reform.
I'M A RN AND HAVE NO JOB AND NO HEALTHCARE INSURANCE, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE!!!!!!!!!!!! STICK THAT IN YOUR HEALTH REFORM!!!!!!!!!
I JUST WANT A MED/SURG unit, or any nursing home facitlity that will be willing to educate me about their policies and procedures and a preceptor that is willing and wants to precept a new person and knows how to give constructive critism when asked by a preceptee what could I have done differently or better, not one who is drunk with power, freakin useless and decides to abandon me to the point I feel like I've been on my own as a nurse since I walked in the door, and gives the response "it will come with time, or she thinks she is super nurse, when asking for feedback.
While going through this whole experience I'm glad I got my associates in nursing and not my BSN, because I would be even more TICKED OFF at the amount of money it appears I have wasted on a nursing degree. I'm competing with all nurses: new (BSN and ADN), experienced, those who left and are coming back, those who retired and are coming out of it.
Nursing career my butt, I can't even get my " nursing career" off the ground:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:angryfire:ang ryfire:angryfire.Last edit by KeepingItRealEeyore on Aug 10, '09 : Reason: spell correction
- Aug 10, '09 by CapeCodMermaidQuote from DanainOrlandoLong term care facilities shouldn't be thought of as 'less desirable'. We are a growing industry with sub acute residents ....we offer stability and the chance to use the skills learned in school and the opportunity to learn skills you never knew you had.Does it help if you apply at less desirable places, like long term care facilities, just to get the experience in the beginning?
- Aug 12, '09 by karenchadI too would like to thank the poster who wrote about the mollen immunization clinics- I filled out a request on line, they e-mailed me the next day and called me, I just faxed my paperwork off today. I do have to say that I'm getting alittle nervous at all you young grads waiting for us older experienced nurses to die off or be up for nursing home placement. Times and the nursing job market is very tough for us too- don't for get we are the one's these CEO's are getting rid of- laying off, being handed early retirement packages at late 40's and early 50's and going through that earlyretirement to pay our monthly bills( early retirement package equals 4 month salary, sometimes with 4 months of health insurance, can't touch a 401K without being hit by IRS for 1/3rd of it to pay = that tax penalty we all heard about) thiis leaves us old folks in the same boat as you new nurses-job searching with no prospects- maybe a perdeim position with no available shifts, parttime(because they want to look us over first- to see what we are about and if they don't like us we will be let go - the "not a good fit" BS. The stakes are high and frightening for all of us- new grads and experienced old timers. I am sticking it out with a perdeim position I got last year after 8 MONTHs of no bites, got no shifts in the past 2 months( at this hospital the experienced nurses were given the early retire package and left, those nurses with 3-15 years have been taking mandatory cancellation to equaly some times only a 36 hour pay which should be 72. some of these nurses have left leaving only a few nurses- this past week the patient census dramatically rose to almost 3 times what it had been- I got the "we are DESPERATE, can you come in,". As a result, last night I worked my parttime job then drove 1.5 hours to get to this desperate place for 1-AM to 7 AM. (My cellphone went off when I was in the middle of a code on one of our patients at my parttime job. ) THE FUTURE OF NURSING IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING. I predict that these hospitals/ healthcare facilities are going to be hit with a catastrophic shortage of nurse and it may happen sooner than they think- for the perdeim hospital I work in - it came last night and continues this week- knowing what the cencus is and how few nurses are left at this place, I have already gotton another phone call- Please can you give us any time this week!! Hang in there and keep your eyes fixed on the hospital and facility websites in the coming months- It's now their turn and it is not going to be pretty.!!!
- Aug 12, '09 by whitedoginwiI guess I need to add my 2 cents worth. I am one of those older adults that returned to school to retrain in a more in demand field. I was a social worker. Now I am an unemployed 45+ with big debt, no job prospects within 100 miles (literally) and not able to move (well at least until my father dies - don't wish that). There are no jobs anywhere unless you have experience. On job I interviewed for hired a nurse with 3 years of experience. How can I as a new grad compete with that. It took her 5 months to find a job.
I would love to go back to school. I have checked into online type programs (I live several hours from the nearest MSN program). Many NP programs require that the student have at least one year acute care experience. No experience, no clinical time. What a bugger!!! I found this same thing in social worker. Great school record but with no experience no job. One job recruiter told me to find a job in a long term care facilty. None of the long term care facilties in my area are hiring ( low census). bugger once more. Another recruiter told me to look for home care. Great idea, but the area home care agencies require one year of acute care experience - double bugger!! I have started applying for any healthcare job. LPN, RN, MA - the employers are looking at me like I am nuts. They want to know why a RN would take a MA position. Quite simple, I need a job!!
I think a lot of us new grads are griping because it is so discouraging. I know myself was excited to become a nurse. I reveled in clinical experiences. I fear before I find a job, my skills will detriorate and then there will be the next group of new grads in December. It just looks so bleak. I am right where I was 5 years ago.
As an older adult new grad, I want to speak to that also. As an older adult I find I am more focused. Yes we will retire sooner, but we don't have the distraction of dating, marriages, children, Most of those things are behind us. We also bring more life experience. My fellow, but younger student marveled at the ease I had with people. I always had something in common with every patient I had. I told them that was just having lived a few more years.
Thanks for my space to gripe. Hang in there all of new grads. Times have got to get better. Of course I may be dead before then