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No. 10
Old Aug 16, 2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by EmilyLucille523 View Post
It's about freakin' time that an article tells it like it is. I was getting sick and tired of all the supposedly nursing shortages articles that have been coming up even on this website and how we need to recruit more students. If that was the case then why have I been having such a difficult time getting a full time RN job?!?
Amen. There is definitely a shortage of OPEN positions in our area and the hospitals are indeed increasing their workloads.
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No. 11
Old Aug 16, 2009, 06:55 PM

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Have said this before, and shall say it again, indeed shall go on shouting it from the house-tops; nurses consider themselves a profession while hospitals and toher clinical settings consider them labour. In case of the latter it means they are a cost which must be managed.

States and or the federal government could long ago have mandated staffing levels, and so far only one state (CA) has done so. The reason is simple, ever since modern hospitals were created they have depended upon a steady supply of "cheap" labour when it came to nurses. Be it working student nurses as unpaid lackeys as part of their "education", to bringing in nurses from other countries to fill a "shortage" of nurses.

The situation is a Catch-22 really. If word spreads amoung the general public that there really isn't a shortage of nurses, and or that GNs and new RNs aren't being hired in great numbers, nursing program enrollments will drop as they did back in the 1980's or so. Should this happen sooner or later when many of the current baby boom age nurses retire (or die), there will be a shortage of nurses.

Personally believe the matter is too grave and important to the nation to be left to the market place, and the federal government should finally step in once and for all and sort out the matter. The answer is NOT bringing to these shores vast numbers of nurses from other countries, but to make all manner of nursing an attractive career choice.
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No. 12
Old Aug 16, 2009, 07:23 PM

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So tell me, one of countless new grads who cannot find work (the hospital I had worked in for five years didn't even keep me on), what do I do? I can't go to work in a rural area; I have a home and a small child that I can't just pick up and move away from. I need to work! I can't afford to stay home. And I can't sell my house and leave. It isn't worth anything! I'm applying for private duty just to get work (I'd be making less than I made before I went back to school!!!) but I'm told by the hosptials that I'll still have to start from scratch when and if they do ever decide to hire me. I'm too old for this crap. And that's just it! I have ten years in healthcare! I'm not 22! I can't even get interviewed! And I'm so tired of hearing that things will "come around." Who the hell is anybody kidding? Again, I'm not 22. I've seen "recessions" before and they were NOT this. I'm afraid at this point that I'm going to lose out and end up taking work I don't want. What else are we supposed to do? It would be so different if I'd graduated from cosmotology school, for god's sakes. Come on!
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No. 13
from joyouter
Old Aug 16, 2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DoGoodThenGo View Post
Have said this before, and shall say it again, indeed shall go on shouting it from the house-tops; nurses consider themselves a profession while hospitals and toher clinical settings consider them labour. In case of the latter it means they are a cost which must be managed.

States and or the federal government could long ago have mandated staffing levels, and so far only one state (CA) has done so. The reason is simple, ever since modern hospitals were created they have depended upon a steady supply of "cheap" labour when it came to nurses. Be it working student nurses as unpaid lackeys as part of their "education", to bringing in nurses from other countries to fill a "shortage" of nurses.

The situation is a Catch-22 really. If word spreads amoung the general public that there really isn't a shortage of nurses, and or that GNs and new RNs aren't being hired in great numbers, nursing program enrollments will drop as they did back in the 1980's or so. Should this happen sooner or later when many of the current baby boom age nurses retire (or die), there will be a shortage of nurses.

Personally believe the matter is too grave and important to the nation to be left to the market place, and the federal government should finally step in once and for all and sort out the matter. The answer is NOT bringing to these shores vast numbers of nurses from other countries, but to make all manner of nursing an attractive career choice.
The strategy behind the enforced "shortage of nurses" vs " "lack of jobs" is clear and is also insulting and abusive to nursing. Nursing, as in countless times of economic"downturn" are the inevitable victims of short sighted and incompetent management. Most significantly, they are "labour" when the political culture of a health care organisation decide to cut costs at nursing and patient expense. This has gone on for so long and has been accepted by so many nursing professionals that we are seemingly powerless. Nursing educators have done little or nothing to reinforce a new vision for nursing based on entrenched behaviour and fear. The paradigm of health care in the US remains, private, profit driven and holds no genuine place for nurses - The brutal reality is that labour actually earns the income for the organisation. Without professional knowledge and practice, all organisations will eventually fail. Perhaps that needs to be the focus for change?
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No. 14
from rnffemtguy
Old Aug 16, 2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MedSurgeMess View Post
I find it odd that these facilities are only now acknowledging that there aren't many jobs for new RNs. The nursing schools in my area are still touting that there is such a shortage in our area, yet most facilities are on a hiring freeze indefinitely, and those few listings there are want 2 or more yrs experience. We've all been seeing this for almost a year now, and the media is just catching on-JEEZ
AMEN!!!!! I agree that it's taken the media quite some time to catch on. Like another poster said though, if it starts coming out more in the media about the present situation, nursing school enrolement will decline and the future impact will be an even greater shortage. Kind of a vicious cycle if you ask me, you'd think the government would do something to correct it instead of bringing in foreign nurses....
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No. 15
from misplaced1
Old Aug 16, 2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by holisticallyminded View Post
I've seen "recessions" before and they were NOT this. I'm afraid at this point that I'm going to lose out and end up taking work I don't want. What else are we supposed to do? It would be so different if I'd graduated from cosmotology school, for god's sakes. Come on!
Do you mean it would be easier to get a job? That is so funny because I would have preferred cosmetology but nursing school was much less expensive and was supposed to be recessions proof. Who knew the job itself would require one to work short all the time and now not even be able to find a much in the way of a job anyway
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No. 16
from molse001
Old Aug 16, 2009, 10:45 PM

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I live in Northeast Florida and it is getting tight even around here for new graduates. I'm suppose to graduate in December and I'm freaking out. I already work at a Children's hospital and have spoken with one of the floors. I honestly will start off doing anything to just get that "one year" of experience. I will keep applying and will just keep hoping for the best. I will not stop trying that is for sure!! Thanks for the article. It gives me hope that there will be a turn around.
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No. 17
Old Aug 16, 2009, 10:47 PM

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No, I meant that people need nurses; they don't need to get their hair done. And I meant that I would have assumed I'd be looking for a job for awhile if I had graduated from cosmotology school vs. nursing school. That's all.
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No. 18
from molse001
Old Aug 16, 2009, 10:50 PM

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I do have to say this though. When the economy is the way it is, none of us should be picky about what type of nursing job we get. There are so many people without jobs. Let's be grateful!!! And when the economy changes and jobs begin to open up, then go for the one you really wanted.
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No. 19
Old Aug 16, 2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by molse001 View Post
I do have to say this though. When the economy is the way it is, none of us should be picky about what type of nursing job we get. There are so many people without jobs. Let's be grateful!!! And when the economy changes and jobs begin to open up, then go for the one you really wanted.
You know what bothers me about this...I have taken a long-term care and Hospice job (both PRNs) because that is all I could get and I need to support my family somehow. Unfortunately, according to many hospital jobs that I have applied to, they state that even if I have 1 year experience or more as an RN in long-term care or other non-hospital settings, IT DON'T COUNT. Even though they perform urinary catheterizations, handle IVs, do assessments, and use critical thinking all the time at either jobs. Totally annoys me that you still have to apply as a New Grad! So that means that I will be constantly competing with New Grads from December's and June's graduations. What hope do I have? I am not a young. I was a non-traditional student and I'm a mother of 2.

So don't assume that we are being picky about jobs. We just picked a bad time to graduate.
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