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No. 60
from Aymese
Old Oct 06, 2009, 06:27 PM

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Congress has provided blanket protection over the pharmaceutical industries manufactuaring this vaccination from financial liability related to unintended side effects. If this isn't enough of a clue that these vaccines are not safe, then I don't know what is.
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No. 61
Old Oct 06, 2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aymese View Post
Congress has provided blanket protection over the pharmaceutical industries manufactuaring this vaccination from financial liability related to unintended side effects. If this isn't enough of a clue that these vaccines are not safe, then I don't know what is.
We can probably expect that many otherwise naturally occurring events will be claimed to be caused by the vaccines. This is sure to happen whether it is warranted or not. That's why the need for exemption from liability or no manufacturer would be willing to take this on. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program is available if needed.

The issue of liability exemption is one thing but continuing in the vaccine manufacturing business would be impossible for some companies if many adverse events are being seen. There would be no further ongoing business for some of these companies.

Swine H1N1 is a new viral strain, but how the vaccine targeting the virus is being produced is not new. It's the same process that they use to make seasonal vax every year.

This vaccine is being produced in manufacturing plants by real people.They are real human beings that get sick, and they have kids just like us. They are part of the pharmaceutical industry just as we are part of the healthcare industry. They are not evil beings from another planet. Would it be so surprising that many of them are going to get vaccinated because they are human, and they are just as susceptible to this very transmissible virus as the rest of us? Demonizing an industry composed of real people makes no sense.

Just my 2 cents...
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No. 62
from MikeyBSN
Old Oct 06, 2009, 07:55 PM

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The substantive issues of vaccine safety aside, this article is about a union fighting the unilateral implementation of the vaccine by their employer. The employer didn't bargain with the union in good faith, that's a violation of the NLRA. I don't know the specifics of the contract, but it's likely that there are certain vaccines that the employees must get as a condition for employment. This is considered when discussing compensation. The employer can't unilaterally implement a new policy that has an impact on the employees without bargaining for it. That would be in violation of their contract, and refusing to bargain with the union over such a measure is a violation of the National Labor Relations Act.
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No. 63
from ddlewis13
Old Oct 07, 2009, 01:02 PM

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They have made it mandatory at our HCA hospital in Florida to ge the seasonal flu vaccine. If not as is stated in the lawsuit the nurse must wear a mask and will receive disciplinary action if caught with it off. PLUS we are required to wear a huge sign on our badge stating we received the flus vaccine.

Its a crock as before all the employees got it... THEY RAN OUT OF THE VACCINE. I was forced to get it and I am not happy about it. When I go to management demanding to know what happens to those who didnt get the vaccine... its a joke... or they laugh or some other response. I DIDNT WANT THE VACCINE.. . My civil right was supposedly not taken away because of the option of the mask!!!!

HCA can forget it if they even TRY TO make the H1N1 mandatory. This isnt the military where we choose to give up our CIVIL rights!!!!

this is crap.
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No. 64
from ddlewis13
Old Oct 07, 2009, 01:07 PM

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They have made it mandatory at our HCA hospital in Florida to ge the seasonal flu vaccine. If not as is stated in the lawsuit the nurse must wear a mask and will receive disciplinary action if caught with it off. PLUS we are required to wear a huge sign on our badge stating we received the flus vaccine.

Its a crock as before all the employees got it... THEY RAN OUT OF THE VACCINE. I was forced to get it and I am not happy about it. When I go to management demanding to know what happens to those who didnt get the vaccine... its a joke... or they laugh or some other response. I DIDNT WANT THE VACCINE.. . My civil right was supposedly not taken away because of the option of the mask!!!!

HCA can forget it if they even TRY TO make the H1N1 mandatory. This isnt the military where we choose to give up our CIVIL rights!!!!

this is crap.
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No. 65
from Areenn
Old Oct 07, 2009, 03:45 PM

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May I remind you of the last time people were vaccinated for swine flu and the deaths it caused. In the town I grew up in they tried to cover it up. The coroners got on TV and reported all the deaths and demanded something be done. These new vaccines are UNTESTED they want test subjects and by god they'll get them or they will make it mandatory. Just like when women were not lining up for the new shot to prevent cervicle cancer and the company was compaining about the cost of developing the shot nobody wanted. So they made it mandatory for all school girls in TX. If grown women don't think it's safe, give it to minors who have no say, and no choice and see what happens. It takes 20 yrs to see the long term side effects of any medication or vaccine. Vaccines are safe? Then why have sugar cubes and oral polio's disappeared. How many meds can you name that have been removed from the market. There are risks. Those risks should be accepted or rejected by choice not forced on anyone including healthcare worker.s
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No. 66
from hiddencat
Old Oct 07, 2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Areenn View Post
Then why have sugar cubes and oral polio's disappeared.
Wild type polio has been eradicated in the US, so the greater protection of the oral vaccine is not considered worth the risk of 1 in 2.4 million chance of getting polio from the LIVE vaccine. OPV is more effective when the wild-type virus is still prevalent in the area, so in places where wild-type polio is still prevalent, OPV is still administered. The move toward OPV cessation is happening is because once the wildtype virus is gone, the OPV runs the risk of reintroducing polio due to the rare risk of contracting polio from that vaccine.

It served its purpose and is being transitioned away from as the need for it declines. It wasn't yanked off the market like Vioxx was.
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No. 67
from amymina
Old Oct 07, 2009, 08:43 PM

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Being a nursing student in the state of NY, it is required that I get the vaccine just to participate in my clinicals, and I am just as concerned as some others out there as to the safety of the vaccine. It has been mentioned on TV and I'm sure elsewhere that some experts are worried about this flu season being a repeat of what happened in 1918 with the "spanish influenza". Looking on the internet, it shows that they believe the deadly virus orginally appeared in March of that year to some soldiers in Kansas, but at that point wasn't nearly as deadly, then it unexpectedly showed up during the following flu season, hitting 20 to 40 year olds the hardest and killing anywhere from 20 t0 40 million worldwide. I am sure no one wants to see a repeat of that situation. Seeing that nurses are in contact with people everyday that are sick with something or another, they are probably trying to prevent healthcare workers from contracting the disease as well as spreading it. Do I believe it is okay to force nurses and other healthcare workers into getting the vaccine, no way. It is untested and still worries many of us being that we have been educated about this. Sometimes vaccines and other drugs hurt more people than they help, but the flu season is coming up and I am hoping that this is not going to be everyones worst nightmare that they are predicting.
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No. 68
Old Oct 07, 2009, 11:29 PM

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When a Level 6 Pandemic is declared by World Health Organization, the member nations MUST abide by WHO "recommendations"/rules. The WHO declared Level 6 Pandemic in June 2009, based on WORLD statistics, not
solely U.S. statistics.

In the U.S. we have NSAIDS, anti-biotics, etc., that many other nations do not.


The Federal Government/HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius (former Kansas Governer) has sold out all citizens to the WHO.
We in Kansas were more than glad to get rid of Sebelius, because, under her the infant mortality rate went up,,among other health issues.
But now, the bigger problem exists.

Sebelius and the Feds gave Baxter International legal immunity when they have a record of producing and releasing seasonal flu vaccine that was contaminated with live H5N1/Bird flu. They were accused of purposely producing and releasing this contaminated deadly flu vaccine in the hopes of producing a pandemic and profiting from the "cure"/vaccine.
The chances of a seasonal flu vaccine being contaminated ACCIDENTALLY with H5N1, a secured LEVEL 3 biohazard, is practically ZERO.
Baxter International claimed that the live H5N1 contamination was the result of an "unmarked" container. Really? So, what are you doing adding ingredients of an "unmarked" container to seasonal flu vaccine???

Side note; medical authorities claim that autism is not a result of mandatory childhood vaccinations.
But, there is no autism among the Amish community which does NOT innoculate.
Coincidence?
So, should we automatically take the word of "medical authorities"?

Post mortems of healthy young adults during the Spanish flu Pandemic, which, incidentally was also the H5N1/Bird flu,
showed that they died of the Type b Haemophilus influenzae producing pneumonia.
At the time of the Spanish flu/Bird flu Pandemic Germany was the only nation to mass produce aspirin, and we were at war with the Germans, so people didn't trust to take aspirin.
At that time it was not common for young people to be vaccinated, especially against seasonal flu, so they did not have the same resistance to flu that our population has, or can obtain, today.


Half of the deaths from H1N1 Swine flu are the result of the Type b Haemophilus influenzae producing pneumonia
,for which there IS a tested/effective vaccine to take as a preventative.
Some deaths were from Strep pneumonia, which can be treated.
Deaths have resulted from secondary infections, bacterial infections, and underlying conditions.
An otherwise healthy oncology nurse died and it was surmised that her "underlying condition" was colonized MRSA.
How many of us working in hospitals, nursing homes, etc., have been exposed to MRSA?

I've read the WHO Level 5-6 Pandemic Plan. It's not pretty. Read between the lines.
They want nurses to work much longer hours, be exposed more than we should be.
And, in order to do so, the Plan goes into how to use the "carrot" and "the stick" in order to do so.
Again,,,the rights of the individual must be sacrificed, in their view, for the greater good.
Most alarming is the "provide some "benefit" to their family" in the event of death, part included in the Plan.

Fema has another Plan that I'm REALLY not crazy about.
It's on their website.
Combined agencies are having a Pandemic Drill to practice what to do, control populations, force innoculations door-to-door,
quarantine facilities at military facilities, etc.

Boston has gone to giving tracking bracelets to H1N1 recipients to track side effects.
Verichip has been approved for implantation to track H1N1 http://www.reuters.com/article/hotSt...58K4BZ20090921


The last time I checked, the U.S. Constitution was still in effect.
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No. 69
from hiddencat
Old Oct 08, 2009, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by blondegenes View Post
But, there is no autism among the Amish community which does NOT innoculate.
Coincidence?
You've got to be kidding me. First of all, that's not true on either account, and secondly even if it were (that there is no autism in the Amish community and that they don't vaccinate) that is hardly proof that there's a causal relationship there. The Amish community is so different from the general population, culturally as well as genetically, that there could be hundreds of other factors at play.
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