Nurses file lawsuit over mandatory flu vaccine - page 4

I read some post regarding this matter and then I saw this on CNN and then it took me to this site. I thought it was interesting. :D ... Read More

  1. by   Onekidneynurse
    Next the hospitals are gonna turn down the heat to prevent the spread of germs...Sorry couldn't help myself. Kissy Kissy kissy. Oh wait that's not allowed.
  2. by   tewdles
    Sorry can't let this go...

    "GiGiOm...I am against fast-tracked vaccines that have side effects potentially worse than the disease itself."

    As far as I know the potential side effects of this H1N1 flu are serious including rapid deterioration to death, I am not sure there are vaccine side effects "worse" than death although I have some hospice patients who might chose to argue that point.

    Everyone has the OPTION to take the H1N1 vaccine. You may get vaccinated or NOT get vaccinated. It is your CHOICE. Your employer MAY put limits and requirements upon you. Some are testing the legality of an employer mandating this vaccine in the absence of direction of CDC or the federal gov to do so. That is generally a good thing...test the case law. Regardless, everyone has the option. The employers may not force people to get immunized. Employers may, however, take reasonable steps to insure that their patients are safe and that they (the hospital) have enough healthy staff to provide care for the patients. Given that hospitals are planning on increased hospitalizations d/t H1N1 as compared to seasonal flu, it is no wonder that they are anxious for as many of their FRONT LINE STAFF to have immunity as is possible. So, they may be overreacting by "mandating" this vaccine but the reality is that as a nurse you MAY CHOOSE NOT TO GET THE VACCINE. What you may not appreciate, however, is the consequence to your choice. Consequences include possibly getting H1N1 or having to wear a mask when at work. One of those consequences is potentially fatal the other is not. You may continue to be suspicious and fearful of this vaccine. That is your choice also. What is really not your right, or the right of any other health professional, is to tell lay persons that this vaccine is potentially deadly (please consider your quote above) as THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT STATEMENT. I practice evidence based nursing. While it is true that there are side effects to vaccines, some of them serious up to and including death, there is no evidence to suggest that this vaccine is any more dangerous than any other modern influenza vaccine. I know a young man whose college and professional football career was devastated by a flu vaccine that resulted in Guillan Barre. His life was never the same. But I also know that vaccines save far, far more lives than they hurt. So, as a healthcare professional, please be cautious about mixing your personal opinion of vaccines (this one in particular) with the professional and scientific facts when discussing this topic with patients, families, and your personal contacts. We must soberly advocate for people to be informed about the risk/benefit for vaccines, provide them with printed information when possible, and encourage them to ask their PCP about the appropriateness of the vaccine for THEM. We must be careful to avoid overly dramatic characterizations of this vaccine or its risks. We (as healthcare PROFESSIONALS) are part of the effort to make sure that a pandemic is avoided and public hysteria is minimized during the threat. Additionally, we are the population of professionals who are charged with caring for people when they are sick and dying...we cannot do that if we are also sick. So, educate yourself...get the vaccine or not...but lets not get carried away.
  3. by   brandy1017
    I don't believe in mandatory vaccination and I also am refusing the vaccines. Our hospital is not requiring it, but they do want us to sign a disclaimer that we are choosing not to vaccinate ourselves.

    I have seen the results from just a routine seasonal flu shot cause GB in a 70 year old active motor cycle patient who went all over the country in good health. Shortly after the flu vaccine he became completely paralyzed. He had to be fed and the only thing he could do on his own was breathe. Luckily he didn't need a ventilator, but it took him over a year to recover physically and I don't think he ever got over the ordeal emotionally.

    I want to thank the poster who brought up past adverse reactions from vaccines. We shouldn't be so easily brainwashed! Remember back when we were told how hormones were good for menopausal women and protected heart health and then it was discovered to be the exact opposite.

    Look at how the pharmaceutical companies promote dangerous new meds and hide or whitewash side effects many times they are already aware of. Why would it be any different with vaccines, especially when the government is giving them blanket immunity!

    I would rather wear a mask than take a vaccine and it would actually protect me more than the patients when you think of how many infectious, coughing patients I'm exposed to at work.
  4. by   LuxCalidaNP
    I get it: I don't want to get an unresearched vaccine for a strain of influenza that, for all intensive purposes, we're clueless about! We don't even have a hunch of how this thing will look at peak flu season...
  5. by   tewdles
    We are "clueless" about H1N1? More clueless than with H2N2?, or H5N1? Where did you get that information? We don't "have a hunch of how this thing will look at peak flu season..."? Perhaps the thing that is troubling to folks is that the "hunch" is that the peak season could be very, very ugly and THAT is why they are encouraging us to get vaccinated.
  6. by   Runnerguy
    Hahaha, that would be a pretty funny excuse coming from physicians in this day and age....they are afraid of nurses getting too much steam behind the equality boat in healthcare...hehehe!
  7. by   Runnerguy
    Pretty much. As far as I can tell, it WILL be very bad during this winter because of immunodeficiency concerns with the general populace. In fact, I have evidence from a virology laboratory in Children's Hospital, Columbus Ohio that we are in trouble this winter. The viral strain is such that when exposed to colder weather, it will flourish and this is in addition to the already at-risk immune systems of the populace, especially subjected to inadequate means of health and dressing warmly, exercise as well.
  8. by   RNsckofit
    [color=lemonchiffon]do ya want your 666 in a particular font?what a shame that those who understand the risks involved in this h1n1 vaccine must constantly battle verbally with those who think it is just okiedokie. do your darned research, understand that this is unprecedented in it's novelty and rush to injection!!!!!!!!! revelations is not a bible fantasy folk{..it is so, so real!!!!!!!!
  9. by   RNsckofit
    Quote from tewdles
    sorry can't let this go...

    "gigiom...i am against fast-tracked vaccines that have side effects potentially worse than the disease itself."

    as far as i know the potential side effects of this h1n1 flu are serious including rapid deterioration to death, i am not sure there are vaccine side effects "worse" than death although i have some hospice patients who might chose to argue that point.

    everyone has the option to take the h1n1 vaccine. you may get vaccinated or not get vaccinated. it is your choice. your employer may put limits and requirements upon you. some are testing the legality of an employer mandating this vaccine in the absence of direction of cdc or the federal gov to do so. that is generally a good thing...test the case law. regardless, everyone has the option. the employers may not force people to get immunized. employers may, however, take reasonable steps to insure that their patients are safe and that they (the hospital) have enough healthy staff to provide care for the patients. given that hospitals are planning on increased hospitalizations d/t h1n1 as compared to seasonal flu, it is no wonder that they are anxious for as many of their front line staff to have immunity as is possible. so, they may be overreacting by "mandating" this vaccine but the reality is that as a nurse you may choose not to get the vaccine. what you may not appreciate, however, is the consequence to your choice. consequences include possibly getting h1n1 or having to wear a mask when at work. one of those consequences is potentially fatal the other is not. you may continue to be suspicious and fearful of this vaccine. that is your choice also. what is really not your right, or the right of any other health professional, is to tell lay persons that this vaccine is potentially deadly (please consider your quote above) as there is no evidence to support that statement. i practice evidence based nursing. while it is true that there are side effects to vaccines, some of them serious up to and including death, there is no evidence to suggest that this vaccine is any more dangerous than any other modern influenza vaccine. i know a young man whose college and professional football career was devastated by a flu vaccine that resulted in guillan barre. his life was never the same. but i also know that vaccines save far, far more lives than they hurt. so, as a healthcare professional, please be cautious about mixing your personal opinion of vaccines (this one in particular) with the professional and scientific facts when discussing this topic with patients, families, and your personal contacts. we must soberly advocate for people to be informed about the risk/benefit for vaccines, provide them with printed information when possible, and encourage them to ask their pcp about the appropriateness of the vaccine for them. we must be careful to avoid overly dramatic characterizations of this vaccine or its risks. we (as healthcare professionals) are part of the effort to make sure that a pandemic is avoided and public hysteria is minimized during the threat. additionally, we are the population of professionals who are charged with caring for people when they are sick and dying...we cannot do that if we are also sick. so, educate yourself...get the vaccine or not...but lets not get carried away.
    so, it is now 'reasonable" that i be fired or or take the vaccine, huh?..there is no mask option in most new york facilities..it's get the shot or get out!!! i consider myself a part of the public {or as my hospital states "i am an internal customer..b.s!!} i, too can become sick or die!!! research is a powerful tool, so please do some more research.
  10. by   Temeika
    Quote from Angels_wearScrubs
    I read the article, are they going to require JUST the nurses, or all HCP's? doctors nurses aides and clerks to get the vaccine. What about people who walk into the hospital? are visitors going to have to get the shot when they visit? or wear masks?

    I work in a nursing home here in GA and anyone not vaccinated that comes into the building has to wear the mask, that includes employees and visitors. I don't quite understand the purpose of the mask for those not vaccinated because all it takes is for them to sneeze wipe their face or something to that nature before putting on the mask and to contaminate a doorknob or something. They are threatening to reprimand any employee caught without their mask. And we have only taking the regular flu vaccination so noone technically is protected from the H1N1 thus far.
  11. by   dscrn
    Quote from wifemotherstudent
    I wasn't aware that you can "contract" diabetes? Please do explain.
    Not sure if contract is the correct word...some present theories regarding diabetes lean towards inflammation as a cause-different peoples immune systems can overreact to immunizations...
  12. by   CapeCodMermaid
    You can get Gullian Barre from contracting a virus without ever having had a flu vaccine. It amazes me how many people say things on here with out any scientific knowledge. And, yes, I know I probably spelled the G word incorrectly.
  13. by   criticalHP
    [quote=CinnScorpStudent;3898866]Here's a couple of reasons I don't get vaccines, haven't had the flu but once in my life (93') now 42, I think I'll stick with my own immune system's track record.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edikv0zbAlU

    Quite interesting no?

    Then there's this:

    http://www.torontosun.com/news/canad...7/8560781.html

    Bayer/Baxter if anyone remembers was responsible in large part to the distribution of HIV tainted Factor VIII as well, some track record.
    http://my.1club.fm/profiles/blogs/ba...u-virus-fiasco

    Another interesting page for consideration:
    http://bestbiodefense.com/vaccine.htm

    Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth....Gandhi[/quot

    Very interesting indeed! That guy looked a little nervous on the hot seat. Hmmm....

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