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No. 20
from november17
Old Apr 11, 2008, 04:14 AM

Default Re: Nurse sees worst, best of profession during daughter's ER visit
Yea, the ER wait sucked. Yea, her daughter was in pain. Yea, they talked on their cellphones and ate some food.

The bottom line is, her daughter is fine. That's kind of the goal of being hospitalized, right?

It sounds like this nursing instructor is taking out her frustration of having a sick daughter by writing an article about it.

God, can you imagine having your mom forcing you to get up out of bed and walk around after an abdominal surgery? Leave that stuff to the RNs.

The only thing I didn't like about this article was there was no resolution to it. No "Hey we can make this better by doing XXX." It was pure and simply a rant.
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No. 21
from DDRN4me
Old Apr 11, 2008, 04:49 AM

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interesting article; thanks BRian,

I too have been :the mohter on the other side of the stretcher". more times than i want to count.
there are some great, professional nurses in ERs and on the floors.
as one pp stated, though... its about how they communicate. ignoring a patient just because you cant do anything immediately only increases the frustration and anxiety they have along with their illness.
and their concept of how serious their illness is does happen to be subjective . a simple "I know you have been waiting for a long time. we have several very critical pts right now and will get to you as soon as we have a bed" is enough to at least let someone know they have not been forgotten.
I have been the mom that provided 90% of post op care... but I am her mom and wanted to be there for her and help her. Just because a nurse is at the desk doesnt mean she isnt working.
I have been treated with compassion and with disdain .. depends on who the nurse is . I have had nurses just leave narcotics on the bedside table and leave with out water or a word; but I have had others hold my crying daughters hand and tell her that her fiancee will be ok.
I have found if i have a question and ask it in a professional manner i will get a professional response back.
like anything else; we need to realize that both parties are human. and stressed. and remember that we dont always know what else is going on.


just my humble opinion... more like .10 thant .02!
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No. 22
from bollweevil
Old Apr 11, 2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CHATSDALE View Post
i think that this writer/educator could tell the differance between overworked, pushed to the wall nurses and those who were sitting around gossiping on the cell phone
item which caught my eye was the statement she made about floor nurses which she said she knew which nurses were incompenent and she refused to have them care for her dtr
what about the lay person who comes and wants/deserves the best of care, give him the dumbox?
It's about survival for her child. Can't blame her a bit. She was being a mom. I'd absolutely do the same. Is there anyone here who can HONESTLY say they would choose a nurse for their child if they thought that nurse was incompetent so that someone else could have a better nurse? We are only human.
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No. 23
Old Apr 11, 2008, 08:54 AM

Default Re: Nurse sees worst, best of profession during daughter's ER visit
Communication.

A PP mentioned that. I'm willing to bet that if a nurse, tech or anyone came in the room and just explained that we are doing xyz and it might be a while...things would be a lot better.
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No. 24
from bollweevil
Old Apr 11, 2008, 08:59 AM
Updated Apr 11, 2008 at 09:01 AM by bollweevil

Default Re: Nurse sees worst, best of profession during daughter's ER visit
Originally Posted by rjflyn View Post
Well since we were not there we should not judge. But based on finite resources someone is going to have to wait. For example my ER has 33 beds, with the hall spots we can squeeze safely based on staff maybe on a good day another 10 for a total of 43 beds.. SO when on a busy night there are 60+ pts I guess someone has to wait, and sadly often that wait won't be comfortable.

As far as the staffs behavior sadly that happens. Unfortunately with the volumes we have to deal with telling us to take it to the break room or do it elsewhere and actually being able to are two entirely different things. Give me 2,3,4,5,6, more nurse and I might be able to do it. Then again we will have 20, 30, 40 more pts.

Though there is no excuse for the cellphone use at all. And as always once you are in a room no excuse for poor care. Also don't think we are not doing anything often we can't do something until the doctor sees you, yes we have protocols and yes we do follow them. But after that we cannot do much and often we may be sitting on our hand waiting on them.

RJ
The key is to communicate these things to the patients/family. Let them know that "We are grabbing our dinner here because there is no time to go to the breakroom. We need the nourishment to have strength and think clearly. Please don't think we're unaware of your child's situation, I know it's hard to wait but we are on it. We are waiting for the x ray results. We are waiting for Dr. Jones and he should be here within about 30 minutes. I know it's so hard to wait but please know that we are doing everything we can for Cindy."

Reassurance that one is not invisible or unimportant or alone in this terrifying situation. And it is scary, even to nurses, when our kids are down. Maybe it's scarier that to a lay person who is not so aware of all that can go wrong. Just simple communication, spoken quietly and calmly, with maybe a little literal handholding, helps so much.
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No. 25
from bollweevil
Old Apr 11, 2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by november551 View Post
Yea, the ER wait sucked. Yea, her daughter was in pain. Yea, they talked on their cellphones and ate some food.

The bottom line is, her daughter is fine. That's kind of the goal of being hospitalized, right?

It sounds like this nursing instructor is taking out her frustration of having a sick daughter by writing an article about it.

God, can you imagine having your mom forcing you to get up out of bed and walk around after an abdominal surgery? Leave that stuff to the RNs.

The only thing I didn't like about this article was there was no resolution to it. No "Hey we can make this better by doing XXX." It was pure and simply a rant.
The bottom line is, indeed, that her DD is fine. How we reach that end, though, does matter.
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No. 26
from bollweevil
Old Apr 11, 2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by al7139 View Post
Having been on both sides of the stretcher, I understand this nurse who is also a mother's frustration. I have been a patient in the ER of a local hospital where I have recieved great care, and a patient in another hospital where my triage nurse left much to be desired. The excellent care I recieved happened as a result of a dog bite (I was a vet tech prior to becoming a nurse), and the ER I went to had a "fast track" for non critical patients where I saw a PA, got my wounds cleaned, prescriptions for antibiotics and pain meds, and was out the door in under two hours. It was obvious to the triage nurse that I wasn't going to die as a result of the bite, and I was fully prepared to wait longer than I did to be seen.
The not so great experience was when I was having new, acute chest pain, and my fiancee rushed me to a closer hospital (run by a different company). After signing in, I sat for close to two hours before triage even saw me (meanwhile I was terrified, since I had never felt like this before), and I am convinced that the only reason the nurse called me was because my fiancee finally went to her and reiterated that I was having chest pain and trouble breathing. With that, she called me to the cubicle, and then proceeded to tell me how rude he was to her and that she knew that I was not "having a heart attack", at which point I started to cry since I was terrified and could not get my breath. I said to her "He is worried about me, can't you see that? I have never had a problem breathing before." Her attitude was that since I walked in on my own two feet instead of on a stretcher, I could wait.
I hate to say anyone of my profesion is incompetent, but I work now on a cardiac unit, and anyone having chest pain, or difficulty breathing is top priority.
Luckily, I just had a bad case of bronchitis, but if the nurse had taken the time to tell us that my VS were stable, etc, etc, then I wouldn't have been so scared, as well as kept her opinions about my fiancee to herself, and mabye had a little compassion when he spoke up because he was worried about me.
As a nurse, I now try to put myself in the patient's position, as well as the families. I then try to show compassion, and caring, even if they are upset. Most times I am able to turn a bad "customer service" situation around just by spending the extra few minutes explaining what the plan is, whats happening, what to expect, etc.
I have had family members yelling at me, not because they think I am incompetent, but because noone has taken the time to explain to them what is happening, that later will hug me, and thank me for caring for their loved one, because I didn't take it personally, and took the time to talk to them, and get past the anger, and show them I care.
Had a pt the other night who came in for chest pain, was put on telly, and twice I ran to her room (scaring the hell out of her and her family) because the monitor showed she was in V-fib. Each time, I printed out the strip to show her, and explained that although she was fine, her strip showed she was not (she was A-paced and if she threw a PAC, her pacer would increase her heart rate and it would show as V-Fib). I joked with her about it, and teased her that because she was watching the college b-ball finals, she was getting excited. She told me on discharge, that I was her favorite nurse there because I took the time to show her why I was concerned, and explain to her what was really happening (PM malfunction). She went home today, and told me if she neede to come back, she would make sure to request me specifically.
I am by no means a great nurse, I don't know everything, but I became a nurse to help people and make a difference, NOT for a big paycheck.
If the nurses in this persons experience had taken the time to talk to them, it may have been a completely different situation.
Amy
This is how to do it right. Communication. Timely, kind, simple, quiet, informative communication. Not taking offense when someone is really just scared. Remembering that being afraid of dying is often uppermost in the minds of so many ER patients and their family. Putting ourselves in their shoes. This is how to do it right. It's what we ourselves would want. I wish schools or employers had role play exercises.
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No. 27
Old Apr 11, 2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bollweevil View Post
This is how to do it right. Communication. Timely, kind, simple, quiet, informative communication. Not taking offense when someone is really just scared. Remembering that being afraid of dying is often uppermost in the minds of so many ER patients and their family. Putting ourselves in their shoes. This is how to do it right. It's what we ourselves would want. I wish schools or employers had role play exercises.



This is why I think it is important to look at this article as a learning tool. All people need to look at things from another side every once in awhile.

I am not going to take offense at her concerns.

As many others have mentioned, communication to the layperson about what being a nurse is like is important. As is communication to the nurse about what being a patient or patient's mom is like.

steph
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No. 28
from canoehead
Old Apr 11, 2008, 12:56 PM
Updated Apr 11, 2008 at 01:10 PM by canoehead

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Originally Posted by crissrn27 View Post
Since when will a ruptured appendix NOT kill you, if not treated promptly?
Since they invented antibiotics.

The triage nurse didn't know anymore than the mom that it was/was not appendicitis, or was/was not ruptured. Nurses can't diagnose We try to pick out the sickest person in the waiting room and send them back ASAP. In triage, when I say actively trying to die, I mean within the next 30 minutes, not within the next week. Anything less acute will give the triage nurse less drag the next time someone needs to be brought right back. Abdominal pain will jump over a lot of things, but it's not going to get an immediate bed.
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No. 29
from canoehead
Old Apr 11, 2008, 01:04 PM
Updated Apr 11, 2008 at 01:09 PM by canoehead

Default Re: Nurse sees worst, best of profession during daughter's ER visit
Originally Posted by bollweevil View Post
The key is to communicate these things to the patients/family. Let them know that "We are grabbing our dinner here because there is no time to go to the breakroom. We need the nourishment to have strength and think clearly.
I agree this would help, but damned if I am going to ask permission or forgiveness from 50 people every time I need to pee. It's a personal need and if anyone doesn't allow me that privacy can bite me. I'm sorry the line has to be drawn- I've given up breaks, I've given up personal comfort- thank goodness someone allows me to eat once every 12 hours, and I'm supposed to ask for understanding because I NEED to EAT? No way.

That said (and I meant it), I do try to go around each hour to ER rooms and say "We've done x, y, z, and now we are waiting for f__" We also ask registration to make a general announcement to the waiting room if there's going to be a slow down in people being called back- usually because ambulances are arriving.

Why do people assume that we are uncaring or lazy when there is a delay instead of assuming that there is someone that needs attention? It is an emergency room you know.
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