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"Nurse refused to give CPR to elderly woman who later died" Nurse refused to give CPR to elderly woman who later died | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times Have you guys seen this? It's quickly... Read More

  1. by   dishes
    You don't have to be in medical facility to receive CPR, if this lady (the deceased) had been in a restaurant, public building, a shopping mall she would have received CPR as instructed by the 911 operator.
  2. by   netglow

    You certainly don't have to help anybody, regardless of who is going to talk you through it. You can just keep eating or shopping if you like.

    Would it be great if everybody helped everybody? sure it would.
  3. by   Rose_Queen
    The article stated the woman "was barely breathing". At that point, was CPR truly necessary? If she's breathing in any way, then she's got a pulse. The new CPR method that would have been given over the phone only includes compressions, no breaths, so how would that have helped? If this is a retirement community where she's living out on her own and not within a facility, then this would be no different than Joe Shmoe in his own house.

    We also in no way have access to the full story. Considering the daughter has said that she is satisfied with the care, then there has to be a lot that is not being said to the general public.
    Last edit by Rose_Queen on Mar 3, '13 : Reason: forgot a word
  4. by   jadelpn
    Quote from morte
    If their clientele know this rule, and still sign on the dotted line, it is what it is. And you need to be asystolic and not breathing for CPR, yes?
    There are some new rules with a new CPR (which is focused mainly on compressions and breathing is a second----I KNOW----hard to get used to) that talks about adequate as opposed to absence but are more for a rescue breathing type of thing as opposed to classic CPR.
    In any event, I could imagine this person (or ANY person) being a DNR, however, to sit idly by while someone is gasping is perhaps not ideal. And there's more to emergency medical treatment than CPR or chest compressions. Opening one's airway for comfort would perhaps been a humane thing to do.....
  5. by   redhead_NURSE98!
    Quote from healthstar
    The 911 operator was really aggravated by this! She sounded more caring than the nurse!! I understand that it is policy not to perform CPR but this nurse was so cold! She should have handed the phone to someone else at least!
    Yeah, imma hand the phone to another 87 year old: "Hey Mamie, this lady at 911 wants to talk to you! Byyyye!" lol
  6. by   jadelpn
    Negligece Law in California:
    [COLOR=#0066cc] Per TOS we I can not give any legal advice, however, this is a general overview of negligence, duty to act so it is difficult to say if the nurse will in fact get the brunt of this or not.

    Negligence is either the failure to do something that an ordinarily prudent person would do under given circumstances or the doing of something that an ordinarily prudent person would not do under those circumstances. Any action based on negligence involves a violation of a legal duty, imposed by statute, contract, or otherwise, owed by the defendant to the person injured. Thus, to support a finding of negligence by the court, a plaintiff must show that the defendant owed a duty to the plaintiff to use care, that he or she breached that duty, and that the breach was the actual cause of the resulting injury...
    In addition to the general duty to use ordinary care, a person may have a duty to act affirmatively to warn or protect others or to control the conduct of others, if a special relationship exists between the actor and either the person to be controlled or the person who needs protection.
    the danger to be avoided and the consequences that might reasonably be anticipated....
    ...The duty to act reasonably varies with changing circumstances. In general, the standard of care is measured objectively.

    Last edit by jadelpn on Mar 3, '13
  7. by   jmll1765
    Oh sad. Why would a facility have a policy in place to prevent staff from saving lives? I know there are those who will say that this nurse was simply following policy to protect her job..but protecting a life should be more important! I don't understand how a nurse could stand by and not do something..find someone else to do the CPR for pete's sake!
    Last edit by jmll1765 on Mar 3, '13
  8. by   mmc51264
    When I was a CNA, (I did not call myself a nurse) I was bound to perform CPR by my state's scope. All CNAs have to be BLS cert. here. This story is scary to me.
  9. by   VivaLasViejas
    We assisted-living nurse are caught between a rock and a hard place. Many companies, including the one I work for, have the no-CPR rule in place, supposedly for the nurse's protection as well as theirs. I'd probably lose my job if I were to perform CPR while waiting for the EMTs to arrive. But when it comes down to brass tacks, failure to rescue is a serious matter that the state BON does not view favorably, and frankly if I were in that situation, my training and moral code would dictate that I start CPR. It's not even a question in my mind. Far better to lose a job than a life that could have been saved with early CPR and advanced care.
  10. by   azhiker96
    Since this was not a nursing facility and the nurse who made the call does not work in the facility I'd guess there was no nurse/patient relationship. Hopefully there will be a followup article that answers some of the questions that have been raised.
  11. by   Blue Roses
    This entire story is just... weird. I'll just say I'm glad I'm not that nurse or that nurse's boss.
  12. by   kjohnrn
    Start CPR: "If the patient isn't breathing and does not have a pulse, start CPR
  13. by   dishes
    Quote from netglow

    You certainly don't have to help anybody, regardless of who is going to talk you through it. You can just keep eating or shopping if you like.

    Would it be great if everybody helped everybody? sure it would.
    Yes, people can continue to shop, eat and not get involved, but I'd be very surprised to find out that it is common for the laypeople to refuse to follow the operators instructions, when they called 911.