Nurse refused to give CPR - page 3

"Nurse refused to give CPR to elderly woman who later died" Have you guys seen this? It's quickly making national news. What would you do in this situation? Also, in your experience is it... Read More

  1. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    There is more to this story. This article from USnews Nurse refuses to perform CPR despite 911 dispatcher's plea - U.S. News states the daughter is a nurse and is satisfied with the care that her mother received. They asked the CEO and he stated that there this is a non nursing residential facility and there are NO nurses available to provide this kind of care and the all families are aware of this policy.

    I am very curious what the outcome will be....but as usual we will probably never know. I doubt it was a "real nurse" and I am curious about residential facilities regulations and obligations. I wwonder how they prevent CPR when a passer by can perform CPR.....this is not the whole story and I doubt this person is a real nurse.
    Orca, Skips, llg, and 8 others like this.
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  3. Visit  Altra profile page
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    Holding a nursing license does not require someone to be currently (or ever) certified in BLS, to my knowledge. While this point is unlikely to be explained to the general public in the media coverage, I doubt there are any grounds for this nurse to be disciplined by the BON.
    psu_213, Orca, AZMOMO2, and 3 others like this.
  4. Visit  dishes profile page
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    I agree with you healthstar, " she should have handed the phone to someone else" as anyone can perform CPR and the nurse obstructed the law when she refused to hand the phone over to a" passer by or gardener, anyone", as the 911 operator prompted. My guess is the 911 operator and first responders will file complaints to the BON, the facility policies will be reviewed by a lawyer and staff will be re-educated regarding their legal obligations.
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  5. Visit  dishes profile page
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    altra you do not need to be certified in BLS to do CPR, a 911 operator can talk anyone through it, that is why the operator kept asking the nurse to hand the phone off to a passerby, the gardener, anyone.
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  6. Visit  netglow profile page
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    Oh, I don't think people who "say" they are nurses are going to freak if talking to a dispatcher or an MD or a real RN. Who hasn't had a patient's family member try that very lie?! Look. People who lie do it to lie, and they more than not go all out in this especially if confronted.

    Now if this person was not a nurse or a CNA or EMS etc. nobody is "in trouble". There is no law stating that someone who is not employed as a medical professional is required to do anything. IF any of you guys were not working and came on someone in distress, it's not yours to do anything about it, by law. Now, a "good" person would do something - but nobody has to be a "good" person, now do they.

    But! If this person is stating that they are such, but not ...could there be a case of fraud? I'd be all on it then!!!

    The facility will only be held to the contract signed with that person/family, as well as how they have presented themselves to get whatever licensing they have. That's all there is folks. Of course, it's a big wake up call to everybody about this type of business. You just have to understand what it is you are purchasing.
    Orca, llg, nrsang97, and 1 other like this.
  7. Visit  JDZ344 profile page
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    The link that was provided up thread states there are no licensed nurses on staff at the facility.

    That is the real tragedy here.
    Last edit by JDZ344 on May 14, '14 : Reason: spelling
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  8. Visit  pmabraham profile page
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    Good day:

    Good Samaritan Laws -- Is it not true that Good Samaritan laws protect anyone who would give CPR in good faith to try and save a life?

    Statistics seem to vary as to how successful CRP is to save a life; but, it could have been a bridge to the team that was on their way to take the person to the hospital.

    Thank you.
    SopranoKris and nrsang97 like this.
  9. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from Esme12
    There is more to this story. This article from USnews Nurse refuses to perform CPR despite 911 dispatcher's plea - U.S. News states the daughter is a nurse and is satisfied with the care that her mother received. They asked the CEO and he stated that there this is a non nursing residential facility and there are NO nurses available to provide this kind of care and the all families are aware of this policy.

    I am very curious what the outcome will be....but as usual we will probably never know. I doubt it was a "real nurse" and I am curious about residential facilities regulations and obligations. I wwonder how they prevent CPR when a passer by can perform CPR.....this is not the whole story and I doubt this person is a real nurse.
    ^Good point about the "nurse"...something still should've been done.
    nrsang97 likes this.
  10. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from dishes
    I agree with you healthstar, " she should have handed the phone to someone else" as anyone can perform CPR and the nurse obstructed the law when she refused to hand the phone over to a" passer by or gardener, anyone", as the 911 operator prompted. My guess is the 911 operator and first responders will file complaints to the BON, the facility policies will be reviewed by a lawyer and staff will be re-educated regarding their legal obligations.
    ^ I hope so...still awful...something has to be done.
  11. Visit  azhiker96 profile page
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    The 911 operator kept asking for the nurse to hand the phone to a passerby or someone else. However, the event was in the dining hall of an assisted living facility. From the 911 call it sounds like the only people present were staff and residents. I don't think it would be safe to ask an ALF resident to do CPR on another resident and staff are prohibited from performing CPR by policy.
    The daughter who is a nurse, and who knows much more about the situation is happy with the care her mother received. I'm not going to second guess her assessment based on limited information.
    barbarake21, imintrouble, llg, and 9 others like this.
  12. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from KatieP86
    That is the tragedy here. I hope the director can sleep easily at night knowing that his need for profits have cost a life.
    ^This!!!
  13. Visit  dishes profile page
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    A facility policy that prohibits staff from doing CPR is a policy that fails to meet standard of care and the facilities policies need to be investigated.
    miszsantiago and jadelpn like this.
  14. Visit  netglow profile page
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    Quote from dishes
    A facility policy that prohibits staff from doing CPR is a policy that fails to meet standard of care and the facilities policies need to be investigated.
    It's not a medical facility. It's just a place to live.

    Of course millions have seen the TV report so, another black eye to nursing most likely completely without cause.
    16weeks, psu_213, imintrouble, and 4 others like this.


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