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"Nurse refused to give CPR to elderly woman who later died" Have you guys seen this? It's quickly making national news. What would you do in this situation? Also, in your experience is it... Read More

  1. Visit  netglow profile page
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    Yeah. But everybody calls themselves "nurse" these days. UAPs, secretaries, vet techs... so we'll have to see.
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  3. Visit  ChristineN profile page
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    Quote from roser13

    Listen to the 911 call. The woman called herself a nurse (although we all know how that goes) and she literally refused multiples times to even hand the phone to a passer-by (there was one) who might have been willing to initiate CPR.

    For the "nurse's" sake, I hope she really doesn't have a license to lose.
    Link for 911 call?
  4. Visit  roser13 profile page
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  5. Visit  dishes profile page
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    The facilities' policy not to initiate CPR is unlawful under EMS law. Law trumps policy, facilities and nurses who don't understand this should be reported to the board and re-educated.
    miszsantiago, Orca, tewdles, and 8 others like this.
  6. Visit  DoGoodThenGo profile page
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    Quote from ChristineN
    Link for 911 call?
    Posted a link to the 911 call above.

    The "nurse" on the telephone identified herself quite strongly as a *nurse* during the call even telling off the 911 operator with "I am a *NURSE* I know about CPR.....". Highly doubt this was another case of jumped up UAP or some such with a case of job inflation. Even those persons know when to cut bait and telling an emergency operator one is a professional nurse during such a situation without holding a license would land whomever in very hot water.

    Also since the facility is backing the nurse's account of things we can assume she is just that and was following the place's ghastly standards of practice for this sort of situation.
    Orca, VivaLasViejas, and Altra like this.
  7. Visit  roser13 profile page
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    Quote from DoGoodThenGo
    Posted a link to the 911 call above.

    The "nurse" on the telephone identified herself quite strongly as a *nurse* during the call even telling off the 911 operator with "I am a *NURSE* I know about CPR.....". Highly doubt this was another case of jumped up UAP or some such with a case of job inflation. Even those persons know when to cut bait and telling an emergency operator one is a professional nurse during such a situation without holding a license would land whomever in very hot water.

    Also since the facility is backing the nurse's account of things we can assume she is just that and was following the place's ghastly standards of practice for this sort of situation.
    Who wants to bet that this person, nurse or not, will very quickly be looking for new employment? The sacrificial lamb, so to speak.
    Orca, herring_RN, Nascar nurse, and 1 other like this.
  8. Visit  SleeepyRN profile page
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    Quote from morte
    If their clinetele know this rulel, and still sign on the dotted line, it is what it is. And you need to be asystolic and not breathing for CPR, yes?

    No, a person can have severe bradycardia to perform CPR. Also the person could be in v-fib or v-tach to perform CPR.
  9. Visit  prnqday profile page
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    I'm speechless.
    LDRNMOMMY, Isitpossible, nrsang97, and 1 other like this.
  10. Visit  DoGoodThenGo profile page
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    Here's the deal so far:

    Apparently this complex houses two different sorts of facilities. One is Glenwood Gardens Skilled Nursing Facility, the other is Glenwood Gardents "Retirement" community which is an independent living facility. The difference is the former offers skilled nursing care whilst the latter does not. The elderly woman who passed on lived in the independent living building that did not provide medical care and according to managment she and her family were aware of that fact when she became a resident.

    The question is, and the one *not* being answered is why the nurse in question was in the non-nursing building? Management has refused to say nor provide a written copy to the media of their policies regarding these sort of situations.

    IMHO two likely reasons for this "nurse" to have been where she was is either she was summoned by someone who saw the woman in distress, or she simply happened to be in the building/area for personal or other reasons when things went down.
    Dramatic 911 tape reveals dispatcher’s fight to save patient; nurse refuses to help; Link here to hear the tape | KGET TV 17
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  11. Visit  SleeepyRN profile page
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    I was just talking to my husband yesterday about a case that occurred on the new series Monday Mornings. There was a 15 year old girl who needed pericardialcentesis. Both she and the parents refused it due to religious beliefs even though the girl will die. The Doctor did it anyway. I turned to my husband and said "You know how I always say you never really know what you would do in a situation until you're in it. Well I would like to think that I would attempt to save the persons life even if it meant I could lose my job or license." Same thing in this case.I might think 'maybe God made me a nurse so that I would be in this situation and help save this life when someone else might have refused to.' But who knows what I'd really do in that situation.
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  12. Visit  healthstar profile page
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    The 911 operator was really aggravated by this! She sounded more caring than the nurse!! I understand that it is policy not to perform CPR but this nurse was so cold! She should have handed the phone to someone else at least!
    SopranoKris, Orca, nrsang97, and 3 others like this.
  13. Visit  roser13 profile page
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    Quote from DoGoodThenGo
    Here's the deal so far:

    Apparently this complex houses two different sorts of facilities. One is Glenwood Gardens Skilled Nursing Facility, the other is Glenwood Gardents "Retirement" community which is an independent living facility. The difference is the former offers skilled nursing care whilst the latter does not. The elderly woman who passed on lived in the independent living building that did not provide medical care and according to managment she and her family were aware of that fact when she became a resident.

    The question is, and the one *not* being answered is why the nurse in question was in the non-nursing building? Management has refused to say nor provide a written copy to the media of their policies regarding these sort of situations.

    IMHO two likely reasons for this "nurse" to have been where she was is either she was summoned by someone who saw the woman in distress, or she simply happened to be in the building/area for personal or other reasons when things went down.
    Dramatic 911 tape reveals dispatcher€™s fight to save patient; nurse refuses to help; Link here to hear the tape | KGET TV 17
    I don't really care why she was where she was. Simply as a human being, to stand there and refuse to come to the aid of another human being, perhaps out of fear of job loss, just renders me speechless.

    And if it turns out she actually IS a nurse, well then, shame on her. She doesn't deserve to call herself a nurse.
    miszsantiago, Orca, herring_RN, and 3 others like this.
  14. Visit  ClearBlueOctoberSky profile page
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    Quote from dishes
    The facilities' policy not to initiate CPR is unlawful under EMS law. Law trumps policy, facilities and nurses who don't understand this should be reported to the board and re-educated.
    There is no "EMS" law. It is the bystanders right to refuse to perform CPR, for any reason. Is it morally and ethically right? In my opinion no.

    I can't comment on the Nurse refusing to do CPR and standing by that refusal by saying it is her facilities policy. I can only say what I would do. The Nurse involved is going to have deal with the consequences, whether it is through legal ramifications due to her license and the State Practice Act or through moral and personal convictions.


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