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  1. Visit  Vito Andolini profile page
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    Quote from RetiredTooSoon
    From the UKTelegraph...

    Her job at a hospital in Stockholm is now at risk after she put 14 photos from a brain surgery and a back operation to her account on the popular social networking site...
    The patients could not be identified from the photos, which have now been deleted from her internet page, but staff at the hospital have had an emergency meeting to remind them about patient privacy.
    The woman, who has been suspended, is said to be "devastated" by her actions. It seems she wanted to impress her friends with her high powered job.
    How do we know that was her intent? Did she say that?
  2. Visit  leslie :-D profile page
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    and how did she take pictures w/o anyone else noticing???

    leslie
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  3. Visit  MursingMale profile page
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    Quote from earle58
    then perhaps a confession should be made to the pt by this nurse...
    and let the pt decide this nurse's fate.
    if the pt decides, "no biggie", then let the nurse get off with a serious warning.

    btw, workingforskies makes some great points.

    leslie
    That would be a hospital's lawyers worst nightmare. Unfortunately, the way to deal with this kind of problem is to set an example. This nurse's action was hopefully just a momentary lapse of judgement. What if, however, she got off because the pt thought it was "no biggie" and she or her coworkers did not learn a lesson. The next time this incident occured it could result in a lawsuit against the facility.

    Quote from earle58
    and how did she take pictures w/o anyone else noticing???

    leslie
    If she was in there taking pictures while the MD was cutting I say fire them both (unfortunately not freaking likely), otherwise if it turns out she stole the pics from the record then fire her AND charge her with theft.
  4. Visit  leslie :-D profile page
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    Quote from MursingMale
    That would be a hospital's lawyers worst nightmare. Unfortunately, the way to deal with this kind of problem is to set an example. This nurse's action was hopefully just a momentary lapse of judgement. What if, however, she got off because the pt thought it was "no biggie" and she or her coworkers did not learn a lesson. The next time this incident occured it could result in a lawsuit against the facility.
    i do know how stupid this act was.
    i understand the legalities and subsequent liabilities.
    i especially understand the disrespect and breaking of trust.

    yet...workingforskies does make some very valid points.
    brain tissue is not identifiable.
    so, she really didn't expose anyone's identity.
    and based on those facts, i see what workingforskies is saying.

    but clearly, the nurse needs to be disciplined.
    but let's make sure the punishment fits the crime.

    leslie
  5. Visit  MursingMale profile page
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    Quote from earle58
    but clearly, the nurse needs to be disciplined.
    but let's make sure the punishment fits the crime.
    I actually think her punishment does fit the crime. It does not say that she had her license stripped, only that she was fired. I do not mean to make light of the action, but it certainly is not the end of the world. I have not had the pleasure, but I have known several good nurses that had made mistakes in the past and were terminated for them. Fortunately they were able to bounce back (and isn't a hallmark of nursing the ability to be flexible?) and by the time I had known them they were back working on the floor. Hopefully this nurse will be able to as well.
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  6. Visit  cjcsoon2brn profile page
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    Quote from MursingMale
    I actually think her punishment does fit the crime. It does not say that she had her license stripped, only that she was fired. I do not mean to make light of the action, but it certainly is not the end of the world. I have not had the pleasure, but I have known several good nurses that had made mistakes in the past and were terminated for them. Fortunately they were able to bounce back (and isn't a hallmark of nursing the ability to be flexible?) and by the time I had known them they were back working on the floor. Hopefully this nurse will be able to as well.
    I agree with Earle58, this nurse had a momentary lapse in judgment that needs to be punished. So lets make sure the punishment fits the crime. I agree with MursingMale that her being fired is a fitting punishment. She is getting fired not hung in the town square, she still has her license and will just have to find another job. She needs to pick herself up, learn from her mistake and go find another job (and possibly take a course in ethics.)

    !Chris
  7. Visit  Nurserton profile page
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    Quote from workingforskies
    Seriously folks, I have seen a lot of responses to this issue, from the asinine to the sublime. But I have yet to see one response that directly answers my question, what direct harm was done in what that nurse did?
    Please see my post about breaking sterile field and jeopardizing pt health in a *tangible way.
  8. Visit  workingforskies profile page
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    Quote from NurseRivera
    Please see my post about breaking sterile field and jeopardizing pt health in a *tangible way.

    That was never a stated issue. I have observed 2 or 3 surgeries in my career. Never was I required to "scrub in". I was far enough that if I wanted to take pics with a non sterile camera, i could have.

    So I will ask again. What tangible harm was caused to that specific patient by posting non identifying pictures of her brain on line?
  9. Visit  Pipsqueak profile page
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    Quote from workingforskies
    So I will ask again. What tangible harm was caused to that specific patient by posting non identifying pictures of her brain on line?
    This is probably a stretch, and I do not know the exact details of this particular incident, but in general, this could possibly happen:

    What if someone who knew nurse and the patient, or even the patients family or the patient themselves who knew the nurses name decided to look her up. And they find her facebook profile with pictures of said pts brain. There may be no identifying info, but if there is a date on the pic, or she even posted the date, it could theoretically be deduced who the pt was. Could potentially be traumatic to the pt or especially the family if there wasn't a good outcome on the surgery. I know its a stretch, but it could happen. We're not talking about a nursing/medical journal here. This was facebook!!! Very innapropriate.

    She was clearly in the wrong. As others have said, she doesn't deserve to lose her license, but being fired is justified.
  10. Visit  woolgirls profile page
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    We had a similar case in that a photo was taken with a cell phone at the request of the surgeon because a digital camera could not be found. The photo was sent to the surgeon's email but instead of then deleting the picture the nurse sent it to a colleague.
  11. Visit  Dental Hygienist profile page
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    I can definitely see that she was wrong in the eyes of the law and hospital policy to do what she did. I think she was being careless and silly and taking unneccesary risks with her job and she should have known better.

    However, I personally don't think what she did was a big deal. Yes, there is the slippery slope argument "if she did this what will stop her from doing something worse?" but if you look at the isolated incident, I really don't think it is devastating to anyone but the nurse. She brought it upon herself, but she was the ONLY person who was harmed.

    I know, I know the patient didn't consent to have the photos taken, but also the patient was unidentifiable in the photos and we don't consent to have our photos taken dozens of times a day in public life (security cameras etc.) I mean, celebrities often don't consent to have their photos taken, and often times those photos ARE damaging, but they have little recourse.

    So....I know that my opinion is not popular here, I follow HIPPA to the best of my ability, but I still think the whole thing is blown out of proportion.
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  13. Visit  RNDreamer profile page
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    men who go around with their cameras low enough to take pictures of women's butts....is it OK since no one will be able to identify whose butt it is that is posted on the perverted site?....or do we as women have a right to walk down the street wearing a skirt without worrying that someone will invade our privacy by taking a quick pic and posting it online.


    Quote from workingforskies
    That was never a stated issue. I have observed 2 or 3 surgeries in my career. Never was I required to "scrub in". I was far enough that if I wanted to take pics with a non sterile camera, i could have.

    So I will ask again. What tangible harm was caused to that specific patient by posting non identifying pictures of her brain on line?


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