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    A discussion of this same topic is going on in the general nursing discussion forum (oops-I did do a search first, honestly! I mustn't have used the right search terms :imbar ) There are some other POVs being discussed there.

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    Quote from JunebugRN28
    Bottom line, it doesn't matter if you cannot ID the patient by the picture. This is a matter of respect! People who are under anesthesia are vunerable, and it is our job to protect their basic rights. Taking personal pictures during surgery and then placing them on facebook (both without pt permission!) is completely unprofessional and disrespectful.
    Exactly. And if she'll take pictures of herself holding random body parts of her patients to post online, what else might she do to a vulnerable, sleeping patient?
    Last edit by RetiredTooSoon on Aug 19, '08 : Reason: thought wasn't clear
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    Quote from JunebugRN28
    have any of you heard of this? A surgical resident took a picture of a male's genital area I believe b/c of a tattoo? (happened in Arizona). He was fired for this as he sent it to others' cell phones and it was eventually leaked to the press.
    I believe the tattoo read 'Hot Rod' (there's another discussion on this topic happening in the general forum and they brought up the same case as you just did) and the physician was in deep trouble.
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    I mean seriously... This is ridiculous, that nurse is a moron and needs to be fired. I'm sorry but it needs to be said. I mean what is the point of HIPPA and consent if people are going to do things like that.

    For the people who said "but you can't identify the patient based upon the photos", that is not the point at all, we have laws that protect patients from these kind of things.

    For the people who said "its not a big deal", I am happy that you wouldn't mind having pictures of your surgery being splattered on Facebook for someone to show off to their friends.

    I will say this however, if the nurse had asked for the patients consent (or had it in writing) to have the non-identifying photos used for educational purposes and shared with other colleagues via the internet or otherwise and the patient consented then I wouldn't care if they were posted on Facebook (even if its not in good taste.) The fact is that she didn't get consent from the patient and I believe that this whole thing is a violation of HIPPA (not to mention human decency by not at least asking the patient.) I don't mean to be harsh but I have little patience for this college fratboy/sorority girl type of behavior and this nurse has a lot of growing up to do.

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    This isn't even a HIPAA thing. It's a matter of patient confidentiality and respect. It was that way before HIPAA.
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    Quote from rph3664
    This isn't even a HIPAA thing. It's a matter of patient confidentiality and respect. It was that way before HIPAA.
    I agree - HIPAA has nothing to do with this as it did not occur in the US - the incident occurred in Sweden. I think this does reflect a change (and to my mind a decline) in respect for the rights and dignity of others fostered by the technology of the internet and the ability to instantly broadcast all sorts of details to the world with no time for reflection on the propriety of such.
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    There is a world of difference in being alert and aware and walking in a public place being "on camera" versus being unconscious and naked and vulnerable during brain surgery performed in a secure and private area by people who are virtual strangers snapping pictures of your body parts without your conscious knowledge or permission.

    There are strong ethical issues, violation of trust issues, and a great opportunity to involve everyone in the operating room in a lawsuit who was awake and aware that nurse nuts for brains was snapping pictures on their cell phone and didn't say "don't".

    If you disagree because you don't see what the issues are, then you must certainly be one of those talented people who can drive their car while talking via Bluetooth and texting on the cellphone and probably also flipping through your tunes to find your favorite. And that's okay. Until you drive your car into an accident. Then you evoke larger social scenarios. Strangers come to your aid. If you are dead, they try to show something called "respect" and protect your mashed body from the prying eyes and cameras of strangers to preserve your "dignity". If you live, then strangers will use their powers and possibly risk their own lives to preserve yours. If you have broken any laws, your "privacy" will be protected until you have been legally charged. Then many people will know who you are and what you did. The information will be made available to everyone that you broke laws governing rules of the road, physics, and common sense and - at the very least - injured yourself. But that is okay because you had the responsibility of knowing what the rules were before you earned your driver's license (a privilege, not a "right") and the keys to the vehicle of your choice. You made "choices". You discovered "consequences". And if people, the public near and far from you, want to judge you and spit on you and share their opinions directly with you regarding your choices and the impact of your actions on the society in which everyone shares - what would be the big deal? It would be okay, right? After all, you are just a big piece of meat who drove a couple of thousand pounds of metal, plastic, and rubber off the road and changed the daily routines of at least several dozens of people who were strangers to you until that day. Right? People have car wrecks everyday. What's the big deal? Hamburger or human? Meat is meat.

    Isn't it?
    mskate and 58flyer like this.
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    The fact that she posted it on Facebook... Sooooo unprofessional. had it been some type of nursing education forum or something, I don't think it would have been AS big of a deal. The fact of the matter is that HIPAA requires IDENTIFYING information be kept private...a random piece of brain meat is not identifying, sorry if that offends you. However, consent IS required for things like i guess I'm a bit confused myself as to what is the "right answer" in this case....
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    Time out...on a more important note (theoretically)...if she was that close..then she was scrubbed wouldn't whipping out the phone & leaning over open brain matter with it have totally *broken* sterile field and jeopardized pt health in a much more tangible way than privacy hooplah...hmm..
    Pipsqueak and Anxious Patient like this.
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    I do agree that HIPPA is a bit overreaching, but it is the law. The fact of the matter is that the hospital and the nurse could all be fined by the government/sued by the patient because of this act. If you do not like the law, use the proper channels to change it instead of taking the Robin Hood approach of undermining it. This nurse was wrong, and while the punishment may seem harsh to some, she should have known better.

    To the person who compared this to a security camera taking pictures at the mall: The difference is that you have NO reasonable expectation of privacy at a mall, in a hospital you do.
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