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- Nov 29, '11 by NurseCubanitaRN2bQuote from soxyThe United States of America is the land for all. I wouldn't specifically say it's the land of Islam, the land of Christianity, the land of buddhism, etc. As I said before I have respect for all religions. I may not agree with a lot of their beliefs but it's their right to practice their religion. But the nurse supervisor put her assumptions and religious beliefs over work and that's a no no. What she should have done was ask each patient their preference. By doing that it gives all patients the opportunity to make their own decision about their plan of care. If the patient prefers a female nurse then let's do our best to accommodate her wishes. We were taught in nursing school not to assume anything because of the way a patient looks. We were taught to ask. Then if something like this situation were to arise then we have our butts covered.I agree with most of what you say except for: "This isn't the land of Islam, this is the United States of America and we do things differently here."
The United States of America is a place that accepts (supposedly) all religious believers, cultures, etc INCLUDING Islam so technically it IS the land of Islam, as well as Judaism, as well as Christianity, as well as Buddhism, as well as atheism, etcetcetc..Unfortunately, because of this hodgepodge, there will always be misunderstandings and conflict of all levels as evident in this case.
But like I said, I agree with everything else you and most of the others say..the supervisor should not have made that decision on behalf of any patients preemptively and the fact that the guy got fired for that is surprising. I'm interested in finding out what happens.
- Nov 29, '11 by Esme12This will be interesting to watch. The right to sue grantred by the EEOC is HUGE!!!!! The supervisor may know the ways if Islam but she has no right to by pass the policy and procedures as well as the rights of the patient to request the preferences/participation in their care. I'm all for religious freedom and the right to practice your beliefs, but the nurse also has gthe right to work in a harassment free enviorment.
I think the nursing supervisor used her position of power to reprimand and intmidate the the subserviant nurse who happends to be male and used that position to fire the nurse. An abuse of power. With the area being in the middle of a large muslim community one would think there are already ploicies in place to accomodate the conservative observers on Islam. I also think this argument has been going on for a long time and it finally came to a head.....
The right to religious freedom doe not give one the permission to step on and violate the freedoms of someone else.
- Nov 29, '11 by rn/writerQuote from NurseCubanitaRN2bI agree with your post with one exception.But the nurse supervisor put her assumptions and religious beliefs over work and that's a no no. What she should have done was ask each patient their preference. By doing that it gives all patients the opportunity to make their own decision about their plan of care.
It isn't the role of a supervisor to ask each patient what he or she prefers. Hospital emergency departments are not restaurants where patients can order what they want. And supervisors don't generally speak with patients until or unless there is something the staff nurse can't handle. It is the supervisor's responsibility to provide, when possible, an alternative to a male nurse, or even a female nurse, for that matter, if the patient makes such a request.
Patients who ask for special accommodation need to be prepared to wait longer, provided they are not actually having an emergent problem--MI, serious bleeding, CVA symptoms, etc.--but one would hope that in such cases, religious rules would allow for exceptions and value life over law.
I'm not talking about punitively making someone wait four hours because someone took offense at their request. But if the next available nurse is male, they should understand that it may be a little while until the next female nurse is freed up. That's just a practicality that can't be overridden without being unfair to others.
- Nov 29, '11 by fromtheseaRNQuote from SummitAPum... no. the equal rights amendment was NEVER passed. can you please show me a law that says we're equal? because i've been dying for one.The American Way is codified in law, not just cultural norms: men and women are equal,
- Nov 29, '11 by fromtheseaRNa muslim supervisor practiced cultural competence by informing staff that women wearing the hijab need only be treated by women, according to their religious law. my in-laws are cared for at mayo, and mayo makes sure that my mother in law always has female nurses and doctors to see her.
the nurse who was fired complied with what his supervisor asked of him, until a doctor (who is not his supervisor) told him to do otherwise, so he was directly disobeying orders from his supervisor. if he had disobeyed orders so directly and it wasn't about islam, would the firing be an issue? this has to do with him blatantly going against orders.
- Nov 29, '11 by NurseCubanitaRN2bI think a lot of people are missing the point here. The nurse supervisor put her religious beliefs in front of the patients needs by "ASSUMING" that "ALL" patients wearing a hijab should only be seen by female staff. Would she assume that any woman who came into the ER wearing a crucifix is a practicing catholic and is not going to be on any birth control? She would be assuming she's on the rhythm method. Which we as nurses know that we would still have to ask and not assume. Did the patient in question die because a male nurse who cared for administered a drug she was allergic to? Did the patient end up in ICU because the male nurse administered digoxin when her pulse was 32? If the answer to any of these questions is a yes, then I can justify the firing. But that wasn't the case and it was due to the fact that the nurse supervisor doesn't know how to separate her religious beliefs from the work environment. Her direct orders don't advocate patient rights. She's violating patient rights by making those direct decisions before they even enter the facility.
- Nov 29, '11 by PetsToPeopleGoodwin's Law, hilarious, had to look it up! I tried not using the actual word nazi or hitler because I was trying to convey what happens when people get that "it's my way or the highway" view and it is obviously always brought up because it is the first to come to mind so let me think of others....china and communism, also russia, any military controlled nations, cuba and fidel castro...hmmm....ugh, this sounds horrible, can't think of the leader of one of the middle eastern countries that was killing his people that was just recently killed, my highschool english teacher and I am sure I can come up with some more but that is why saying hitler is so much easier.
Anyway, I can definately see the point that some of you are making about assuming that someones skin color or dress means that they may want to be treated a certain way. In a way, that is actually a type of discrimination in itself.
All in all, I like having discussions like this where we can all debate our points of view openly and hear the views of others. Sometimes we learn new ways of seeing things and sometimes we strengthen our own convictions. I enjoy hearing each and every one of your opinions, whether I agree with them or not, lol!Last edit by PetsToPeople on Nov 29, '11
- Nov 29, '11 by lumbarpainJust simply put....before 911 occurred what in the world did the healthcare profession do before hand when treating these people and how come you never heard about it until now.
- Nov 29, '11 by lumbarpainI agree, if there is a major car accident and a woman is wearing some kind of kerchif over her head....and she is unconsciousness and the paramedics treat her, then what happens in that case.."..OH WE CANT TOUCH HER BECAUSE WE ARE MEN, so we will just let her die." Vanity and religious beliefs I believe are set aside in the cases of life and death or severe illness....if you dont do something you are in trouble, if you do something you are still in trouble, so where do healthcare professionals stand?