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| No. 60 |
Sep 25, 2009, 01:47 PM
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Sep 25, 2009 at 01:50 PM by sjt9721
Re: Nurse arrested for not following a police directive. Originally Posted by Tanzanite It's probably not over the top for people who have been robbed, raped, victimized & bullied by police officer(s) to feel that way. Choosing a career to be an egocentric arrogant cop is no different than joining the Mafia, Taliban, or Bloods/Crips in my opinion. No offense to the Mafia!
So if I get "robbed, raped, victimized, & bullied" by a black man, is it okay for me to make that comment about the entire race? Of course it isn't.
I was making a comparison to explain my statement in the original post, and obviously it didn't get through. It wasn't about people who have had bad encounters with police...it was about stereotyping an entire profession based on the negative behaviors of a few.
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Sep 26, 2009, 09:37 AM
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Sep 26, 2009 at 09:53 AM by Tanzanite
Re: Nurse arrested for not following a police directive. Originally Posted by sjt9721 So if I get "robbed, raped, victimized, & bullied" by a black man, is it okay for me to make that comment about the entire race? Of course it isn't.
I was making a comparison to explain my statement in the original post, and obviously it didn't get through. It wasn't about people who have had bad encounters with police...it was about stereotyping an entire profession based on the negative behaviors of a few.
It sounds like you were desperate for an argument on one's opinion, but It is not okay for you to throw in the race card . Law enforcement is made of many nationalities and race, don't even go there. Let's stick to the subject.
I'm just saying , cops have bad a reputation to many people. We all know that every individual employed as an officer is not an untrustworthy crook, but some of his or her co-workers are. Many bad apples(cops) have spoiled the group as a whole, thus creating the stereotype. Good luck trying to change the negative opinions about an entire profession based on behaviors of a few.
| | No. 62 |
Sep 26, 2009, 01:19 PM
Re: Nurse arrested for not following a police directive.
Amen to that. I do hate to see how many disillusioned folks there are out there.
I used to be a Paramedic. I've met a lot of cops from state to city.
I was never very popular with any of them because I was never good at "watching the door" like the "others do".
I'd venture to guess at least HALF of them are crooks with a badge. The other half are a mix of 'don't care either way' and Semi-decent people making a cheap living, whose answer is to 'look the other way' when their BROTHERS are up to no good. So it is always a lose-lose situation for the civilian when a challenge is perceived by the cop, as cops aren't taught much about their position as a civil SERVANT, but quickly learn plenty about their ability to impart PERCEIVED authority.
rb
| | No. 63 |
Sep 27, 2009, 08:10 AM
Re: Nurse arrested for not following a police directive. Originally Posted by RN Randy Amen to that. I do hate to see how many disillusioned folks there are out there.
I used to be a Paramedic. I've met a lot of cops from state to city.
I was never very popular with any of them because I was never good at "watching the door" like the "others do".
I'd venture to guess at least HALF of them are crooks with a badge. The other half are a mix of 'don't care either way' and Semi-decent people making a cheap living, whose answer is to 'look the other way' when their BROTHERS are up to no good. So it is always a lose-lose situation for the civilian when a challenge is perceived by the cop, as cops aren't taught much about their position as a civil SERVANT, but quickly learn plenty about their ability to impart PERCEIVED authority.
rb
Just like all males nurses are gay, and all female nurses want to marry doctor? Stereotype isn't constructive in any situation. I too used to be a paramedic and worked in places like Boston, Denver, San Fransisco, San Antonio and the majority are people just like us who are trying to do a job. A stressful job. Have I run into cops who were bad people, yes, but I've run into many more who were conscientious, helpful, realistic and LAW ABIDING. Do we want to talk about the paramedics who refused to give pain medication to the prisoner with an obvious extremity fracture because they were prisoners? Do we clump all paramedics as heartless uncaring sods? There are bad apples in every profession, some are more obvious, because when your wearing a gun and ballistic armor you do feel 10 feet tall and covered in hair.
| | No. 64 |
Sep 27, 2009, 12:07 PM
Re: Nurse arrested for not following a police directive.
Ok now, this was not posted so that we could turn on one another. I was just so shocked that this happened and that it was allowed to happen. Yes, I agree that being a cop is a stressful job but so is being a nurse. But this type of bullying just because they can is really getting out of hand. I wold not take orders from a police officer on my job just as I couldn't demand that they arrest someone and have them do it. Well, I have tried but it didn't work. I have been watching this case just to see what the Chicago Police Department has to say about it and surprise, surprise...NOTHING. Apparently this is acceptable behavior in their eyes. Maybe that is why this particular cop felt so comfortable in handcuffing a nurse in the middle of the night in a busy ER for not listening and following orders from him! Maybe he is a cop/MD/King. Maybe from now on we should call the local police department for orders? ha, ha! This just mystifies me as I always thought that cops and nurses, especially ER nurses would have a high level of respect for one another, as I believe they should. After all, the cops know the kind of people that they bring into the unarmed ER professionals and also, it is the ER where they go when injured in the line of duty.
I've had so many issues with police some good some downright wrong but that is not for now. I just wanted to give you a couple of other links to this for those that work in the ER and want to keep up with this story.
'Nurse arrest in DUI-related dispute' http://www.southtownstar.com/news/17...709dui.article
'Not Every Nurse Loves Cops' http://www.southtownstar.com/news/bl...BZzEaYgGh/LUbF | | No. 65 |
Sep 27, 2009, 12:54 PM
Re: Nurse arrested for not following a police directive. Originally Posted by CraigB-RN Just like all males nurses are gay, and all female nurses want to marry doctor? Stereotype isn't constructive in any situation. I too used to be a paramedic and worked in places like Boston, Denver, San Fransisco, San Antonio and the majority are people just like us who are trying to do a job. A stressful job. Have I run into cops who were bad people, yes, but I've run into many more who were conscientious, helpful, realistic and LAW ABIDING. Do we want to talk about the paramedics who refused to give pain medication to the prisoner with an obvious extremity fracture because they were prisoners? Do we clump all paramedics as heartless uncaring sods? There are bad apples in every profession, some are more obvious, because when your wearing a gun and ballistic armor you do feel 10 feet tall and covered in hair.
Not sure I understand your position....?
You seem to be replying to someone who said "All cops are criminals", but quoted me...??
On the random statement front; Who said anything about gays and marrying doctors?
Either way, Yes, it's not just cops. There are plenty of paramedics that love to hold the door while the cops beat some guy into a nice trauma call for them. (One of the reasons I gave it up. I have no pack mentality.) Plenty who I've seen treat people like dirt, and truly try to torture people they don't like. "Hey drunk, wanna call me names? This is a spider strap, and this is called nasal intubation! Yeeha!" Two guys actually straddled a pt on a cot and did that. Trying to stop it almost caused a fist-fight and got me locked out of the bus. Mentioning it to the super only got a laugh at my "misunderstanding" of how it is, and how I should either come get drunk with them, or watch out for my well-being while sleeping.
As for the cops, as I said before, about half are crooks and the other half are a mix of all kinds, but in the end the majority suffer from "brotherhood" and pack mentality, or simple head-turning self preservation.
I personally know plenty of "nice guys" involved in law enforcement. They're a strange breed, and comprise a small minority in the grand scheme.
And that's just my opinion... I'm not "attacking" anyone.
| | No. 66 |
Sep 27, 2009, 03:18 PM
Re: Nurse arrested for not following a police directive. Originally Posted by LockportRN Ok now, this was not posted so that we could turn on one another. I was just so shocked that this happened and that it was allowed to happen. Yes, I agree that being a cop is a stressful job but so is being a nurse. But this type of bullying just because they can is really getting out of hand. I wold not take orders from a police officer on my job just as I couldn't demand that they arrest someone and have them do it. Well, I have tried but it didn't work. I have been watching this case just to see what the Chicago Police Department has to say about it and surprise, surprise...NOTHING. Apparently this is acceptable behavior in their eyes. Maybe that is why this particular cop felt so comfortable in handcuffing a nurse in the middle of the night in a busy ER for not listening and following orders from him! Maybe he is a cop/MD/King. Maybe from now on we should call the local police department for orders? ha, ha! This just mystifies me as I always thought that cops and nurses, especially ER nurses would have a high level of respect for one another, as I believe they should. After all, the cops know the kind of people that they bring into the unarmed ER professionals and also, it is the ER where they go when injured in the line of duty.
I've had so many issues with police some good some downright wrong but that is not for now. I just wanted to give you a couple of other links to this for those that work in the ER and want to keep up with this story.
'Nurse arrest in DUI-related dispute' http://www.southtownstar.com/news/17...709dui.article
'Not Every Nurse Loves Cops' http://www.southtownstar.com/news/bl...BZzEaYgGh/LUbF
you second link comes with an empty space in the middle....where i presume the article should have been
| | No. 67 |
Sep 28, 2009, 12:20 AM
Re: Nurse arrested for not following a police directive.
Well, thank you, you are indeed correct. There is a blank spot that doesn't seem to open. However, if you go to the first link and scroll to the bottom of that page, you can click on the link there to get to this 2nd one. If interested, there is a 3rd there as well.
| | No. 68 |
Oct 03, 2009, 08:54 AM
Re: Nurse arrested for not following a police directive. Originally Posted by RN Randy Not sure I understand your position....?
You seem to be replying to someone who said "All cops are criminals", but quoted me...??
On the random statement front; Who said anything about gays and marrying doctors?
Either way, Yes, it's not just cops. There are plenty of paramedics that love to hold the door while the cops beat some guy into a nice trauma call for them. (One of the reasons I gave it up. I have no pack mentality.) Plenty who I've seen treat people like dirt, and truly try to torture people they don't like. "Hey drunk, wanna call me names? This is a spider strap, and this is called nasal intubation! Yeeha!" Two guys actually straddled a pt on a cot and did that. Trying to stop it almost caused a fist-fight and got me locked out of the bus. Mentioning it to the super only got a laugh at my "misunderstanding" of how it is, and how I should either come get drunk with them, or watch out for my well-being while sleeping.
As for the cops, as I said before, about half are crooks and the other half are a mix of all kinds, but in the end the majority suffer from "brotherhood" and pack mentality, or simple head-turning self preservation.
I personally know plenty of "nice guys" involved in law enforcement. They're a strange breed, and comprise a small minority in the grand scheme.
And that's just my opinion... I'm not "attacking" anyone.
The statement was about stereotypes. Cops = bad, male RN = Gay, and Female nurse wants to marry a doc. All stereotypes. I'm sorry youve had such bad luck. yes those things do happen, but look at the bigger picture, the thousands who aren' t like that. I've seen rn's and MD's RSI someone just because they were a beligernt drunk. No proffesion is perfect, but the bad get remibered and the good are just doing their job and not getting any attention.
As the the Law Abiding comment, the things you were talking about are illegal, beating up prisoners and such.
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