Nurse alleges fired for suggesting pt go to church

  1. Nurse 'sacked over church advice'

    A nurse who says he was sacked for suggesting patients could become less stressed if they went to church could take action against the NHS trust.

    Anand Rao said he made the comments to a woman in a training exercise and was suspended by University Hospitals of Leicester NHS Trust after a complaint.

    He was dismissed after a disciplinary hearing. The Christian Legal Centre said it was considering legal action.

    A trust spokesman said Mr Rao, 71, had "continuously" breached guidelines.

    Mr Rao said that in the training exercise the woman had been playing the part of a patient with a life-threatening heart condition.
    Last edit by madwife2002 on May 30, '09
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  3. by   elkpark
    Actually, the article you posted states that he was not fired for the suggestion that a client attend church; he was fired for failing to show up for two disciplinary hearings. The article also stated that this was not the only incident -- there was a long series of problems, and this was just the most recent.
  4. by   Jennie2010
    He was not fired for suggesting that the patient go to church he was fired for various other reasons. You do know though we are not allowed to suggest to residents or patients what they can or can't do such as going to church. That would be like me telling a patient you need to believe in God!
  5. by   nerdtonurse?
    We had one of those in nursing school -- fanatically obsessed with the rapture and end times prophesy. She disappeared after one semester -- complete psychotic break.
  6. by   madwife2002
    I know the 'trust' said he didnt turn up for his hearing x2 but the underlying concept was the church comment he made in a training exercise, in which I had always asumed was a 'safe' environment to express comments.
  7. by   elkpark
    "A trust spokesman said Mr Rao, 71, had 'continuously' breached guidelines ... 'The incident which led to the launch of the investigation was unfortunately not the first. Since joining us in 2005 Mr Rao had continuously shown a disregard for the Nursing and Midwifery's code of conduct, which he had breached on more than one occasion. Mr Rao was given every opportunity to assure us that this would not happen again, but he was unable to do so and showed little regard for the standards of care and professionalism that is expected of him as a nurse.'"

    Sounds like the trust is saying there were a variety of problems over time, but the nurse in question and the Christian Legal Centre are trying to make it into a censorship issue regarding this one incident (which could possibly be successfully challenged in court?) Do you have additional personal information about this situation beyond what's in the article?

    I don't know much about how these things work in England, but I have a hard time believing the trust would make such sweeping comments about Mr. Rao's performance if they couldn't back them up with evidence.
  8. by   madwife2002
    I agree the article needs futher investigation it comes from a good source ' The BBC News', but I will see if I can find further information. The other questionable thing is the mans age 71, I really haven't heard of anybody working until that age in the UK in a hospital environment, things have obviously changed.
    For the church incident to be cited it had to be brought up as an issue or else they couldn't use it as a form of investigation, one would presume.
  9. by   elkpark
    Clearly, the "church advice" incident was brought up as an issue, but it sounds like it was the "final straw" rather than an isolated incident.

    I know that, in the US, it is often the case that, once someone has been been identified as a "problem" employee, administrators watch closely for any infraction, however minor, things that might well be overlooked with another employee, in order to create a "paper trail" of problems and issues that will support the idea that the person needs to be fired (rather than a single incident), and can defend the administration's decision if the employee contests the firing.
  10. by   luvschoolnursing
    I'm all for praying with patients and discussing Christian issues, etc. IF THEY ASK, but in this article, I don't think think the one church comment was even the issue. Sounds like there was lots of stuff going on we don't even know about.
  11. by   azhiker96
    He may have had a defensible position if they'd fired him for the comment. However, the hospital says he failed to show up for two disciplinary meetings. That is likely their stated cause for the firing.
  12. by   eriksoln
    I read the topic title and was like "Well, yeah, why wouldnt they be?". Then I read the article and it made even more sense.

    If I were a pt. I would turn the facility in if I had a nurse trying to perform a missionary exercise on me. Its not appropriate.
  13. by   blue note
    Quote from eriksoln
    I read the topic title and was like "Well, yeah, why wouldnt they be?". Then I read the article and it made even more sense.

    If I were a pt. I would turn the facility in if I had a nurse trying to perform a missionary exercise on me. Its not appropriate.
    I would too. It'd be one thing if the patient had asked for religious counseling, and then the nurse chose to give it, but to just throw out that kind of "advice" at a patient without regard for the patient's own beliefs (or lack thereof) should be cause for discipline. I'm actually more amazed that the nurse in question is 71!
  14. by   ghillbert
    I'm taking physical exam at school now, and was surprised that we are supposed to ask patients when taking a health history about social supports, including religious practices. I can't see how that's relevant to my health, and I find it intrusive.