Number of Philippine Nurses Emigrating Skyrockets - page 7

The Philippines exports 15,000 nurses a year, and it's estimated that 1 in 10 Filipinos now works abroad. The nursing drain could have a crippling effect on the Philippines healthcare system. ... Read More

  1. by   artur73
    Quote from dollydettol
    i understand that some doctors in the philippines retarin to be nurses and go abroad to work!!!cos they will earn more money as they are not regonised as doctors in the uk for instance..
  2. by   tizmonster
    Quote from dollydettol
    i understand that some doctors in the philippines retarin to be nurses and go abroad to work!!!cos they will earn more money as they are not regonised as doctors in the uk for instance..
    these mdrn's are excellent in a clinical setting. they have advanced assessment skills, and are just wishing to pursue what we all want for our families - a better life for our kids. i have worked with a number of these guys and find the process very gratifying. they want to be here - and they find our system refreshing. when you think they leave their families for as long as 3-4 years to establish themselves here in the states...they pay a tremendous personal price. they see that you can achieve anything you want here in the states...all you have to do is go for it.
  3. by   jayrelic
    I was going to let this topic die (I actually recommended it die much much earlier), but with all of the comments, let me ask a few questions.

    Why is it, when a country is ailing from whatever dilemma, whether it be a corrupt government, a tropical storm, a famine, a flood, a fire, a <insert anything considered terrible here>, the US is *always* at the top of the list, if not the only country on the list, to bail them out?

    This country wasn't always so wealthy, so plentiful, so full of opportunity. It started with some very, very hard work from some very very dedicated people. People who chose not to give up. They didn't look into the face of adversity in their homeland and say to themselves, their families, their neighbors, their government "You know what, it sucks here. And because it sucks here, instead of doing something about it, instead of trying to work as hard and as long as it takes to change things for the better, I'm going to head across the ocean to XYZ country where they have already figured things out, and get a job, and send my money back to you so that you can continue to live in misery. Oh, and the money I send back home, that will some how, some way, make things better and give me the ability to rationalize everything.'

    So I hope someone can tell me why, regardless of where you are from, you have given up trying to make change happen at home. I'm curious, because to me, that doesn't make sense. But then again, I'm not one to give up. On anything. No matter how hard or far away the end result may seem.
  4. by   jefrey888
    [QUOTE=brian]The Philippines exports 15,000 nurses a year, and it's estimated that 1 in 10 Filipinos now works abroad. The nursing drain could have a crippling effect on the Philippines healthcare system.


    Im a philippine nurse, almost all of the nurses here in philippines would like to try their luck in other countries, becuase it is where the pay is better. here in the hpilippines 1 nurse tends to more than 30 pts and still their salaries are very low, they can hardly support their family and send their kids to good schools. this is the primary reason why nurses here in the philippines work abroad. just imagine taking care of 30++ patients and being paid $175 a month.
  5. by   fergus51
    Quote from jayrelic
    . They didn't look into the face of adversity in their homeland and say to themselves, their families, their neighbors, their government "You know what, it sucks here. And because it sucks here, instead of doing something about it, instead of trying to work as hard and as long as it takes to change things for the better, I'm going to head across the ocean to XYZ country where they have already figured things out, and get a job, and send my money back to you so that you can continue to live in misery. Oh, and the money I send back home, that will some how, some way, make things better and give me the ability to rationalize everything.'
    That's actually exactly how the US has become the prosperous nation it has. If not for people choosing to leave their homelands for the promise of something more, the US population would consist only of Native Americans.

    And I'm not trying to sound harsh here, but it's pretty easy to criticize foreign nurses for leaving impoverished countries and say you'd never do it when you live in the US. Look at how many American nurses quit nursing rather than try to make it better. How can we be surprised that nurses from other countries with far fewer resources choose to quit their health care systems?
  6. by   jayrelic
    And who is to say that I'm not Native American and those are the people I was referring to?
  7. by   tracytoon
    Hmm, I suppose we could change the equation a little....why is it that so many ex American military members take high paying jobs in the Middle East and send those virtually tax free paychecks home......because those jobs need qualified people to fill them. When did nursing immigration become an international aid issue? I graduated from high school in the Philippines and I'm sure their aid package is much less than that of, oh, Israel.....

    There are nursing jobs to fill, and obviously people are coming here to fill them. That's why my ancestors came here, for a better life, and I am sure they sent some of their money back to the Mother Russia.......so what is everyone whining about? Most Filipinos have to be at least upper middle class to afford the kind of healthcare the average American gets. I see that there is still a US nursing shortage....apparently the Filipino invasion hasn't put us out of work yet, and they haven't started denying their nurses exit status, sooo....what's the worry?
  8. by   fergus51
    Quote from jayrelic
    And who is to say that I'm not Native American and those are the people I was referring to?
    Your background isn't the issue. All I was saying is the US has become what it has precisely because people up and left their home countries for something better, so it seems silly to criticize nurses from abroad for doing the same thing most Americans' ancestors did.
  9. by   chanel Wharepapa
    Quote from fergus51
    That's actually exactly how the US has become the prosperous nation it has. If not for people choosing to leave their homelands for the promise of something more, the US population would consist only of Native Americans.

    And I'm not trying to sound harsh here, but it's pretty easy to criticize foreign nurses for leaving impoverished countries and say you'd never do it when you live in the US. Look at how many American nurses quit nursing rather than try to make it better. How can we be surprised that nurses from other countries with far fewer resources choose to quit their health care systems?
    For your reference and whoever wrote about saying that the U.S.A became a wealthy country, was because of slavery and not because of the other. For whatever reasons, people who aspire to work in the U.S.A should have their heads examined. There are plenty of other countries where they could apply their professions, and not be treated like unwanted refugees. Remember, America only survives because it imports people from other countries to provide the necessary numbers or people, so they can maintain their economic dominance and military might, either via collecting taxes or otherwise. Just check out who is really a native American? I could count them on one hand. However not forgetting that America does do some good by keeping our planet safe and sane, even if it's from themselves. So all you nurses out there, peace out and keep chillin!
  10. by   kathydy_67
    The problem is that the government suck up all the money and let the filipino suffers. the more money the U.S. government sent the happier Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and her family would be. Didn't the U.S. government check where all the money went. Didn't they wonder why the family of Arroyo are getting richer and richer while the filipino people are poorer and poorer?

    Appalling and it should stop.
    I wonder how much money the US government sends the Phillipines every year to "help" them out with their medical problems or any problem.
    If they keep their own people home and working then many of their own problems would be solved.
    This is not new news. I believe this has been a chronic problem for years.[/QUOTE]
  11. by   PFDGB
    Quote from tracytoon
    Hmm, I suppose we could change the equation a little....why is it that so many ex American military members take high paying jobs in the Middle East and send those virtually tax free paychecks home......because those jobs need qualified people to fill them. When did nursing immigration become an international aid issue? I graduated from high school in the Philippines and I'm sure their aid package is much less than that of, oh, Israel.....

    There are nursing jobs to fill, and obviously people are coming here to fill them. That's why my ancestors came here, for a better life, and I am sure they sent some of their money back to the Mother Russia.......so what is everyone whining about? Most Filipinos have to be at least upper middle class to afford the kind of healthcare the average American gets. I see that there is still a US nursing shortage....apparently the Filipino invasion hasn't put us out of work yet, and they haven't started denying their nurses exit status, sooo....what's the worry?

    :angryfire How would you like it if we were offered special treatment in your country to take away the jobs of your people ??? Your people that are out of work, can't feed and house your family, and can't afford to get medical care for your dying mother, farther, child or other family loved one. You want us to see your side of the equation; well this is ours. What say you ??? If this was just about the nursing profession it would be a whole different ball game. The problem here is that it is widespread in every area of labor. And this is the thanks from the power hungry and greedy people at the top in our country. Hope they don't get sick anytime soon :angryfire
  12. by   chanel Wharepapa
    Quote from kathydy_67
    The problem is that the government suck up all the money and let the filipino suffers. the more money the U.S. government sent the happier Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and her family would be. Didn't the U.S. government check where all the money went. Didn't they wonder why the family of Arroyo are getting richer and richer while the filipino people are poorer and poorer?

    Appalling and it should stop.
    I wonder how much money the US government sends the Phillipines every year to "help" them out with their medical problems or any problem.
    If they keep their own people home and working then many of their own problems would be solved.
    This is not new news. I believe this has been a chronic problem for years.
    [/QUOTE]

    Yes I agree, but when you get a country where people who have chosen the people to make decisions on their behalf for the good of the people, but somehow it doesn't happen, you really need to start asking questions why?
    This is the reason why so many Philippino's have to seek employment overseas, because these so called government leaders are actually ripping off their own kind, and in broad daylight. They don't even bother to hide it! So how can you expect the people to survive. It is a dam pity that a country that has so much going for itself, is slowly moving towards the road of self destruction, and thanks to those so called governemnt leaders, and maybe they need to be taught about the basics of morality and virtues. Which reminds me that when you consider a country of 84 million souls, and about 80% belonging to the Catholic Church, and accordingly, they are one of the riches institutions in the Philippines. It seems that there is money to be made from the suffering of the people. Who will be the next president? Ask the Church, it has a major influence or say, who will be the next President. We know that corruption can be found anywhere, including places where no one would expect! I believe it will take atleast 50 years before the Philippines will become a totally democratised country, and maybe the people can start enjoying a decent and proper life style, ratherthan having to work outside their own beloved Philippines.
  13. by   PFDGB
    Quote from tizmonster
    There is a law called PERM - the nurses are paid as their american counterparts. They have to go thru hoops to get here. And they are excellent in their clinical skills. Finally - we have a terrible nurse shortage that is only going to get worse - we turned away 26,000 nursing student candidates this year because "No room in the Inn. The convergence of our nurses retiring and the baby boomer patients are converging @ the same time. Estimates are that the shortage will be 800,000 by 2020. The Philippine nurses have a tremendous healthcare system and their culture nurtures good nursing skills. I would hope we would invite them in - cause they will cover your backs in a clinical setting.

    :angryfire You think the bottom is not going to fall out ? Wait and see what happens over the next couple of years as our government continues to undermine the economy here in the US. Especially with regards to healthcare and specifically the nursing profession. Just look at what happened in the agriculture industry. (Legalization of Mexican immigrants) Those willing to work for very low wages, no benefits, and very long hours doing backbreaking hard labor; this didn't happen overnight. This is nothing more than legalized oppression. Keep the lower class down so that the upper class maintains the money & power. Please look at the history here in this country. As they say "History tends to repeat itself" It's already happening in nursing. The wages may not be lower now but sit tight and hold onto what savings you have cause your gonna need it. :angryfire

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