Number of Philippine Nurses Emigrating Skyrockets - page 6

The Philippines exports 15,000 nurses a year, and it's estimated that 1 in 10 Filipinos now works abroad. The nursing drain could have a crippling effect on the Philippines healthcare system. ... Read More

  1. by   chanel Wharepapa
    Hurray!!!!You've done the right thing my dear depend Philippine Nurses...You're right Philippine nurses are most likely to be the favorite because of their ability and dedication to their work, not because we are paid cheaper.So you guys who were born in uncle sam's land are fortunate enough instead of critisizing foreign nurses why don't you show that you really deserve a higher pay.?Besides local nurses sometimes too choosy with the kind of job they want to do and that's the good thing about Philippine nurses you can rely on them they are jack of all trades.... :hatparty:
  2. by   Fun2, RN, BSN
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    Last edit by Fun2, RN, BSN on Feb 22, '05
  3. by   Larkspur1
    Quote from lee1
    Appalling and it should stop.
    I wonder how much money the US government sends the Phillipines every year to "help" them out with their medical problems or any problem.
    If they keep their own people home and working then many of their own problems would be solved.
    This is not new news. I believe this has been a chronic problem for years.
    Comic Sans MS]You are right, this is not new. And why do you think that all this time the US kept on recruiting filipino nurses because there is a shortage of nurses here. Maybe, there are a lot of graduates but they couldn't pass the boards so there is still a shortage. And maybe, if the US educate their nursing students better then the US won't have a shortage at all.

  4. by   Larkspur1
    You are right. Filipinos are the favorite in any workplace not just in nursing. They would gladly hire filipinos because they are hard working as chinese people are and they don't leave work without finishing what was started. Attn: I am talking about filipinos born and raised in the Philippines not filipinos born here. If you asked around the majority of nurses that work two jobs are filipinos. Keep up the good job! I am proud of you!

  5. by   PFDGB
    :angryfire This is my 1st time posting and I can't think of a more disturbing topic to respond to. I've been following the trend of nurse staffing from the overseas lot; and every time I read another article about this I get more and more irritated. There are more than enough nurses here in our country to cover the needs of the american people. The problem is not a nursing shortage!!!! It's the failure of healthcare to be willing to pay for those nurses. Mandating those nurses currently on shift saves an enormous amount of money in salary & benefits overall. Ask yourself the following question......Are they pulling nurses from other countries to cover a shortage or is this their way of maintaing their own bottom line ???? Think about why our politicians want to give amnesty to illegal mexican imigrants...They say it's because our own people will not do the work for so little pay. How is nurse staffing any different ? :angryfire
  6. by   Larkspur1
    I agree with you, so there is no reason for targeting filipino nurses because it is not their fault that nurses in this country refuse to go on their hands and knees to work as nurses should work. Nursing is not a hard work as long as you love what you are doing ..... yeah no matter how low the pay. But be aware that for these filipinos, the pay is just enough.

    Last edit by Larkspur1 on Feb 22, '05
  7. by   slrafter
    :angryfire yes, let's talk about discrimination.......

    I work in a hospital where there are many Philipino's

    They don't stand up for their patient's, they don't have strong clinical skills - they "yes Doctor" the MD's even when they are wrong... and they take our jobs...they even have the nerve to discriminate against the American nurses in the American nurse's own country!!!!!!! And complain the whole time about America and Americans right to our faces! All this... and they lower our opportunity for making higher salaries because they work for much lower salaries!

    This isn't racial discrimination-America is MY country-my family made this country and has been here since the begining-I'm not an immigrant!
    I have the right as an American to defend it-and if people from other countries come here to take advantage-I have the right as a US Citizen not to allow them to abuse me or my country.

    That America has many different kinds of people is not an excuse to come here, take advantage, complain and criticize and then go home.....if you don't like us-don't come here.









    [QUTE=ethelbsnrn]Whoever reads this thread, Filipino or not, the bottom line is...(and will always be)...racial discrimination. I have read a lot of postings in this board with the same subject and the same thing comes out...that Filipinos are not needed in this country that is desperate of nurses. I am just tired of all the insults that were thrown towards Filipinos and them speaking out to defend themselves. When will this end?[/QUOTE]
  8. by   tizmonster
    Quote from jayrelic
    My take on things -

    More foreign nurses will lead us down a very dangerous path. You need look no further than technology.

    Technology jobs were outsourced overseas to places where folks earn pennies on the dollar vs. American salaries. What did that do to those who worked in technology in the US - I think we're all in tune enough to know that tens (dare I say 100's) of thousands of Americans found themself out of a job as a result of the willingness of CEO's to outsource those jobs to foreign countries.

    Now we all realize that you can't send sick patients overseas to be treated. So what do you do? Well, you start hiring foreign nurses for quarters on the dollar (it's healthcare, so they are willing to pay .25c vs .01c for the help).

    Let's face it - most (notice I did not say all as there are countries of exception) foreign nurses can be 'bought' for lower wages. They will work for lower wages as the money they are able to send home is astronimcal compared to a day's, heck, a month's paycheck in their home country. So they gladly accept lower wages, live frugally or come over together and live together to help defray costs. What does this do to American nursing jobs? Well, the math is easy - there are less jobs available to American nurses, and the nursing salary is depressed as a result of the willingness of foreign nurses to work for less.

    There, I've said my piece.
    There is a law called PERM - the nurses are paid as their american counterparts. They have to go thru hoops to get here. And they are excellent in their clinical skills. Finally - we have a terrible nurse shortage that is only going to get worse - we turned away 26,000 nursing student candidates this year because "No room in the Inn. The convergence of our nurses retiring and the baby boomer patients are converging @ the same time. Estimates are that the shortage will be 800,000 by 2020. The Philippine nurses have a tremendous healthcare system and their culture nurtures good nursing skills. I would hope we would invite them in - cause they will cover your backs in a clinical setting.
  9. by   Larkspur1
    Quote from tizmonster
    There is a law called PERM - the nurses are paid as their american counterparts. They have to go thru hoops to get here. And they are excellent in their clinical skills. Finally - we have a terrible nurse shortage that is only going to get worse - we turned away 26,000 nursing student candidates this year because "No room in the Inn. The convergence of our nurses retiring and the baby boomer patients are converging @ the same time. Estimates are that the shortage will be 800,000 by 2020. The Philippine nurses have a tremendous healthcare system and their culture nurtures good nursing skills. I would hope we would invite them in - cause they will cover your backs in a clinical setting.
    Well said! :roll
  10. by   artur73
    Quote from dizzylizzie
    :angryfire yes, let's talk about discrimination.......

    i work in a hospital where there are many philipino's

    they don't stand up for their patient's, they don't have strong clinical skills - they "yes doctor" the md's even when they are wrong... and they take our jobs...they even have the nerve to discriminate against the american nurses in the american nurse's own country!!!!!!! and complain the whole time about america and americans right to our faces! all this... and they lower our opportunity for making higher salaries because they work for much lower salaries!

    this isn't racial discrimination-america is my country-my family made this country and has been here since the begining-i'm not an immigrant!
    i have the right as an american to defend it-and if people from other countries come here to take advantage-i have the right as a us citizen not to allow them to abuse me or my country.

    that america has many different kinds of people is not an excuse to come here, take advantage, complain and criticize and then go home.....if you don't like us-don't come here.


    oh yes, i utterly agree with you where you say about incompetence among nurses and abusing us citizens. you should ensure patients they are receiving the best medical service and treatment possible. but i am also sure incompetence is simply common to human race not only chosen colour or nationality you do not like.
    i also hate incompetence and i will fight it. there is no reason to support it. there are thousands of good reasons to fight it. but i am talking about war against incompetence not against people. do you think your professional life would be easier with fellow us nurses with lack of elementary professional skills and knowledge? that would be exactly the same. nationality does not matter professionalism does! by the way i do promise to start my war from myself. continuous professional development is the answer. the next step is to assure right standard of living for nurses (pay schems, pension, bonus, holidays etc). we simply deserve it.
    talk to your government about it. make your opinion and frustration sound aloud! your voice is important!! otherwise you will be depending on internationally recruited nurses more and more and your frustration will be even bigger.
    you said philippinos taking your jobs. not at all! they are just given what americans do not wanna take! be honest. stick to stats. get to know how many nurses currently employed in us are internationally recruited. then substract the figure from total number of nurses practicing in us and you will see if you can cope without them. besides, us have been relying on forigners from its very beginning!do not make it taboo!
    finally i would like to say, i am polish, i have a great respect to the usa and its citizens. currently i am working in the uk as a senior critical care nurse.



    regards

    artur s








    [qute=ethelbsnrn]whoever reads this thread, filipino or not, the bottom line is...(and will always be)...racial discrimination. i have read a lot of postings in this board with the same subject and the same thing comes out...that filipinos are not needed in this country that is desperate of nurses. i am just tired of all the insults that were thrown towards filipinos and them speaking out to defend themselves. when will this end?
    [/quote]
  11. by   slrafter
    You don't have the experience of what is going on here. It seems everyone is quick to attack Americans and then ask for a hand-out...

    Training is the biggest problem with foreign nurses who don't have the opportunity to learn advanced technology, and have different training...

    Many do not have enough command of the English language to be competent in communicating with their American peers and patients-or understanding verbal/written orders. Quite a problem in the middle of a code.

    I know one foreign nurse who didn't understand an order for a heparin gtt and nearly killed the patient...and this is not uncommon...because they refuse to be forthcoming in admitting that they have a problem understanding.

    Their culture also frowns on their being assertive-quite a problem in the healthcare system here and they simply say yes to all orders-even ones that are wrong!

    This isn't discrimination-this is being a safe and prudent nurse to prevent adverse outcomes for patients.
    Last edit by slrafter on Feb 22, '05 : Reason: spelling
  12. by   artur73
    Quote from dizzylizzie
    you don't have the experience of what is going on here. it seems everyone is quick to attack americans and then ask for a hand-out...

    training is the biggest problem with foreign nurses who don't have the opportunity to learn advanced technology, and have different training...

    many do not have enough command of the english language to be competent in communicating with their american peers and patients-or understanding verbal/written orders. quite a problem in the middle of a code.

    i know one foreign nurse who didn't understand an order for a heparin gtt and nearly killed the patient...and this is not uncommon...because they refuse to be forthcoming in admitting that they have a problem understanding.

    their culture also frowns on their being assertive-quite a problem in the healthcare system here and they simply say yes to all orders-even ones that are wrong!

    this isn't discrimination-this is being a safe and prudent nurse to prevent adverse outcomes for patients.
    thank you for your reply.
    yes, that is all frustrating and we may find it hard to keep our temper with so many things going wrong around us. however we need each other. i agree i am not practically prapared to say anything on the situation in your country. but i do believe we should be working hard to improve atmosphere in the place we work. this includes friendly approach to newcomers from abroad starting career in our countries. it is obvious that enyone being in constant defence is not able to face their duties and responsibilities. and it is true not only for nurses with little or no experience but also for those with high clinical grades. it is simply the way a human being is. aknowledging the fact we need each other is just a half way to success. next step should be creating friendly, supportive enviroment where we are working and not only for irn but for every single nurse no matter their status. then your comments and suggestions will be heard and irn will meet professional standards and your expectations. if not, some of them would lost their licence. that would be easy to proof they do not fit to practice. you could gain more qualified and well prepared nurses in that way. of course you may say it is far easier to talk about it from the comfort of my place. but you never know what my place is.

    i do appreciate your comment
    all the best -

    artur s
  13. by   dollydettol
    i understand that some doctors in the philippines retarin to be nurses and go abroad to work!!!cos they will earn more money as they are not regonised as doctors in the uk for instance..
    Quote from brian
    the philippines exports 15,000 nurses a year, and it's estimated that 1 in 10 filipinos now works abroad. the nursing drain could have a crippling effect on the philippines healthcare system.

    listen to this radio segment on npr at:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...sourcecode=rss

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