Number of Philippine Nurses Emigrating Skyrockets - page 5

The Philippines exports 15,000 nurses a year, and it's estimated that 1 in 10 Filipinos now works abroad. The nursing drain could have a crippling effect on the Philippines healthcare system. ... Read More

  1. by   lllliv
    i work with many filipino nurses here in vegas and i must say that most are very good at their jobs. and i'd like to add that the ones i know are also wonderful friends.
  2. by   Nitengale326
    [QUOTE=tommyw1016]I believe that if the USA needs nurses so badly that we provide tax deferments to nurses who come from other countries for five years of tax free income. "They don't have to pay taxes, can bank or send their money back home." The American nurses who are citizens of the good old USA must pay their fair share of taxes to help keep the country afloat and make payments on student loans. It isn't fair! If you work in the USA and earn an income you need to be required to pay taxes too. Let's give all American nurses a tax break too; then we Americans could concentrate on saving all of our money also. We could also make nursing an attractive professional as it was once perceived, by providing educational incentatives to American students and end the slave labor imposed on nurses in our health care institutions.)
    I am amazed at the perks the philipine nurses are receiving. Tax free income, free housing and utilities in some areas, meals, insurance, etc. No wonder WE have a shortage... give the USA nurses some of these same perks and our numbers might rise as well!!! I am not asking for a free ride just a fair one!!!:angryfire
  3. by   Rep
    Before you say something do some research first. Do not believe on hearsays.

    Where does it say that foreign nurses are not paying taxes. Foriegn nurses whether under working or immigrant visas pay taxes just like their American conterparts.

    It seems there is an anti-sentiment here against foreign nurses because of wrong imformations. In the age of internet there are still people who can not get the facts straight.

    Foreign nurses pay their taxes much as the American nurses. PERIOD!!!


    [QUOTE=Nitengale326]
    Quote from tommyw1016
    I believe that if the USA needs nurses so badly that we provide tax deferments to nurses who come from other countries for five years of tax free income. "They don't have to pay taxes, can bank or send their money back home." The American nurses who are citizens of the good old USA must pay their fair share of taxes to help keep the country afloat and make payments on student loans. It isn't fair! If you work in the USA and earn an income you need to be required to pay taxes too. Let's give all American nurses a tax break too; then we Americans could concentrate on saving all of our money also. We could also make nursing an attractive professional as it was once perceived, by providing educational incentatives to American students and end the slave labor imposed on nurses in our health care institutions.)
    I am amazed at the perks the philipine nurses are receiving. Tax free income, free housing and utilities in some areas, meals, insurance, etc. No wonder WE have a shortage... give the USA nurses some of these same perks and our numbers might rise as well!!! I am not asking for a free ride just a fair one!!!:angryfire
    Last edit by Rep on Feb 20, '05
  4. by   Rep
    By the way, free housing for two months, financials assistance for visas processing, NCLEX exams, etc are not free because you can only get these if you sign a three year working contract with the petitioner.
  5. by   jayrelic
    I disagree. They are free. Some nurses receive sign on bonuses, which, in effect, are 'free', granted that you agree to work for that facility for 1,2,x number of years, which is comparable to the other perks mentioned.

    It's semantics, but those things mentioned are indeed 'free'.
  6. by   suzanne4
    Whether you get a bonus or any other perk for that matter, it is taxed. Simple as that.

    The foreign nurses are not coming here and getting paid a tax-free salary, they are responsible for taxes just like anyone else.

    And the benefits that you get by signing a contract are not free, the company that is paying them is getting the money from the facility. They are not doing it from the goodness of their heart.
  7. by   marymary
    Quote from DGasMan
    You are absolutely correct, you have the right and freedom to speak your mind. But that does not give you the right to malign Filipinos just because you and some of your friends have had bad experiences with the few of them. Claiming that "they are the only group of people that treat their coworkers with such wickedness in the workforce" is uncalled for and frankly very unprofessional. I wonder what your manager or DON will think if they find out about this thread. For someone who has researched the Philippines and the Filipino culture thoroughly as you claimed, it saddens me to know that your negative impression of them overshadows the good ones that you have mentioned. Remember, once upon a time, our ancestors were foreigners and immigrants to this nation too.

    There, you sparked some thought in me and I just exercised my right and freedom of speech too. I hope you and whoever you had conflict with can resolve your differences and hopefully everything will be copacetic.
    it is getting there, thanks!
  8. by   marymary
    Quote from jayrelic
    I think it's in everyone's best interest to just let this post die.
    absolutely:hatparty:
  9. by   Rep
    There are no FREEBIES in this world. When those foreign nurses signed the contract they know that in return for the assistance they can get from the hospital are working contract for three years. No semantics here.

    Don't try to tell anybody here especailly the uninformed who still believe that foreign nurses don't pay taxes that foreign nurses had it so good. We have a lot to sacrifice which most of you won't experience and understand considering we come from poor nations and want to better our lot in the US.


    Quote from jayrelic
    I disagree. They are free. Some nurses receive sign on bonuses, which, in effect, are 'free', granted that you agree to work for that facility for 1,2,x number of years, which is comparable to the other perks mentioned.

    It's semantics, but those things mentioned are indeed 'free'.
  10. by   sblanchet
    I am very surprised at the xenophobia on this site. I can't even follow most of the "issues" regarding Phillipino nurses, and why single them out in particular? I used to work in South Florida with nurses from any number of countries, the Phillipines, Jamaica, Haiti, Guyana, India, Ireland, Canada etc. If there is anything to be learned from such an experience, it is that no matter what a person's ethnic background in any group you are likely to find any number who are kind, hard working, etc, and others who are not. People are people no matter what race or country of origin. I am surprised as well that it has not occured to nurses on this site that the problems with earnings for nurses in the US has nothing to do with foreign nurses working here. By the laws of simple supply and demand, nurses' earnings should be going through the roof, yet they are not. Anyone wonder why that is? Look to your state hospital associations for that answer, where nurse executives gather to discuss nurses' salaries and benefits, effectively entering pacts that no hospital will significantly pay more to nurses than any other. There is much more at work here than foreign nurses who enter this country legally on work visas. There is nothing wrong with that.
  11. by   artur73
    hi,
    first of all we should bear in mind how it is to live there. briefly speaking: unbearably and painful! no rules, careless government, people left on their own.
    i don't want to go into embarrasing details.
    giving a money is not an option. they will be wasted on private needs by government and people will get nothing at all. political pressure on the philippine government that is the only reasonable thing we can do. and do not really worry about drainage of nurses in this country. they have more serious and basic problems you would never ever expect. i have a great respect to all philippine nurses trying to change their lives and lives of their families and friends. they are the last chance and hope for those left there in philippine waiting for help.

    artur
  12. by   Rep
    Your statement is one of the open minded sensible posts written by Americans that I have read in this thread. As I said in a previous post, most of the posters here are not well informed of the current situation tending to blame a group of nurses ( Filipino/foreign nurses) for the ills affecting the nursing profession in America.

    Quote from sblanchet
    I am very surprised at the xenophobia on this site. I can't even follow most of the "issues" regarding Phillipino nurses, and why single them out in particular? I used to work in South Florida with nurses from any number of countries, the Phillipines, Jamaica, Haiti, Guyana, India, Ireland, Canada etc. If there is anything to be learned from such an experience, it is that no matter what a person's ethnic background in any group you are likely to find any number who are kind, hard working, etc, and others who are not. People are people no matter what race or country of origin. I am surprised as well that it has not occured to nurses on this site that the problems with earnings for nurses in the US has nothing to do with foreign nurses working here. By the laws of simple supply and demand, nurses' earnings should be going through the roof, yet they are not. Anyone wonder why that is? Look to your state hospital associations for that answer, where nurse executives gather to discuss nurses' salaries and benefits, effectively entering pacts that no hospital will significantly pay more to nurses than any other. There is much more at work here than foreign nurses who enter this country legally on work visas. There is nothing wrong with that.
  13. by   Rep
    i totally agree with what you said. thank you for your understanding and the inputs you have shared.

    Quote from artur73
    hi,
    first of all we should bear in mind how it is to live there. briefly speaking: unbearably and painful! no rules, careless government, people left on their own.
    i don't want to go into embarrasing details.
    giving a money is not an option. they will be wasted on private needs by government and people will get nothing at all. political pressure on the philippine government that is the only reasonable thing we can do. and do not really worry about drainage of nurses in this country. they have more serious and basic problems you would never ever expect. i have a great respect to all philippine nurses trying to change their lives and lives of their families and friends. they are the last chance and hope for those left there in philippine waiting for help.

    artur

close