Number of Philippine Nurses Emigrating Skyrockets - page 15

The Philippines exports 15,000 nurses a year, and it's estimated that 1 in 10 Filipinos now works abroad. The nursing drain could have a crippling effect on the Philippines healthcare system. ... Read More

  1. by   Rep
    Its kind of you to remember about my plans to immigrate. My petition to immigrate together with my family was approved last year. I Have a visa case number and due to the retrogression my visas have to wait until the National Visa Center has reach my priory date.

    I think most American nurses are concern with safe nurse-patients ratio but Filipino nurses are more concern with the kind of wages they received here in the Philippines.

    Philippine nursing is also diifferent from American nursing that is why even experienced Filipino nurses will have to adapt immediately to the American setting otherwise they will not become very effective. Don't misqoute me on this since I based my opinions on my classmates,friends, counsins who are in the US working as nurses.

    I hope close-minded American nurses can understand this instead of blaming us for the current situation affecting American nursing. And please just because we handle many patients does not mean we are ignorant as one poster said about me.

    I think the experience that Filipino nurses undergone in their home country can help them better prepare for the challenges in American nursing.
    Quote from Rose56

    Hi Rep! I have enjoyed reading your posts with great interest. You are so knowledgeable as to what is going on with the Philippine health care system. I remember you were waiting for your papers to come to the US last year. How is that going?

    I do agree with you that the number one reason the Filipino nurses leave the Philippines is due to low wages. One thing sure, there is job security in our profession. People will get sick and need caretakers. As long as these nurses are good workers and are able to provide the care needed for their patients, then I say welcome and let's work together.
  2. by   pickledpepperRN
    http://www.calnurses.org/index.php?A...Content&id=608

    California Nurses Association Adopts Code to Promote Ethical Practices for the International Recruitment of RNs

    In response to rapid increase in the international recruitment of nurses to the U.S., the California Nurses Association has adopted a Code of Practice for the Ethical Recruitment of Nurses. This Code provides recommendations and suggested guidelines for the recruitment of overseas nurses, with an emphasis on protecting the rights of nurses and promoting the safety of patients both in the U.S. and the home countries of the RNs....
  3. by   jefrey888
    Quote from PFDGB
    you mentioned taking care of 30 patients ? No I never would do that ! Reason being is that I care about the lives and future of my patients. Maybe you would be willing to jeapordize their lives doing such a thing but no american born nurse would. One of those 30 patients could be your loved one some day that ends up in the basement of the hospital on a cold stretcher; all for the sake of saving the hospital a few bucks. Your ignorance is mind boggling...... Shame on you.....,
    Yes we filipinos know that you will never even think of taking care of 30 patients because as you said your afraid that you will jeopardize their lives, but r u sure>? or maybe its because your afraid that you will not be paid enough to take care of this number of patients.... here in the philippines i have seen nurses taking care of 20 to 30 patients without compromising the safety and lives of these patients, it is because we are used to this kind of work and we have the concern for these patient's safety and lives, and the most important thing of all we take care of 20 to 30 patients and are given a salary that can only buy us peanuts, it is but normal for us here in the philippines to take care of people no matter how little the salary is, we take care of people and we love doing that. IF ONLY YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF YOUR PARENTS AND OLDER RELATIVES THEN THERE WILL BE NO NURSING SHORTAGE IN THE US, SINCE THERE WILL BE FEWER NURSING HOMES AND HOSPITALS FOR THE OLD. ONLY HOSPITAL FOR THE SICK. :angryfire FILIPINOS LOVE TO TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE NO MATTER IF THEY ARE BLOOD RELATIVES OR MERE STRANGERS, THATS WHY PHILIPPINE NURSES ARE IN DEMAND WORLDWIDE. :hatparty: WE CANT DENY THE FACT WE FILIPINOS JUST LOVE TO TAKE CARE PEOPLE NO MATTER WHO NO MATTER WHAT, AND WE DO IT REALLY WELL.
    GOOD DAY!!!
  4. by   lee1
    Sadly, the real issue facing Philippine nursing is not related to nurse patient ratio. The number one complaint here is the salary that is why many Filipino nurses leave for other countries where the pay is good.

    Money is relative. It also depends on the cost of living where you live. Wait until you see the cost especially here in the northeast USA.
    Killing yourself, putting yourself at risk, putting everyone else at risk are totally separate issues. Money can only help you try to live a below middle class life here. For the hours worked, responsiblities incurred, working conditions, poor management indurred it is still not enough, especially when you start to see the discrepancies of pay, working conditions of those at the upper levels who isolate themselves away from the staff at the bedside and resist change.
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from spacenurse
    http://www.calnurses.org/index.php?A...Content&id=608

    California Nurses Association Adopts Code to Promote Ethical Practices for the International Recruitment of RNs

    In response to rapid increase in the international recruitment of nurses to the U.S., the California Nurses Association has adopted a Code of Practice for the Ethical Recruitment of Nurses. This Code provides recommendations and suggested guidelines for the recruitment of overseas nurses, with an emphasis on protecting the rights of nurses and promoting the safety of patients both in the U.S. and the home countries of the RNs....
    A step in the right direction....we will see how it holds up. I think recruitment overseas needs to be VERY tightly regulated, period. For the good of all parties involved, it need NOT be a cottage industry, but a very careful and thoughtful undertaking.

    Just remember, everyone. NO ONE Nation has the "lock" on good nursing or patient care. I don't think Filipinos make "better nurses", although I know they are well-educated and dedicated hard workers.

    There are good nurses the world-over.The USA also has some of the best educated and dedicated nurses in the world. Just because many of these great nurses are not willing to accept lousy or dangerous conditions---it does not mean they don't care or are greedy. They want to protect their patients' wellbeing and their own, as well. Nothing wrong with that.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Mar 17, '05
  6. by   MOBITZ
    About the millions of dollars the United states is giving to the Philippine government in the form of financial aid, most of this comes in the form of a loan that the philippine Government has to pay, and of course they also get a lot of help from NGOs from first world countries like America and Japan. And I as a filipina and I am sure my fellow filipinos appreciate those help.
    Our Country is a third world country and, and I would say we are poor compared to America. The philippines is a small country and I would say it is "OVERPOPULATED".Yearly It produce a large number of professionals and The government cannot provide Jobs for these eager new professionals, we have no choice but to travel, look for jobs outside the country. Engineers, nurses, architects, laborers, domestic, and others, would go to Japan, mid east, United kingdom, hongkong,taiwan and for some reasons the United states only welcome nurses About our Doctors, Most of them would choose to stay in Philippines because they have better opportunities in their own country than go out.

    Also about the reply of my fellow Filipina about her being able to take care of 20 to 30 patients in one shift, in a philippine setting that is possible because of our culture, when one of the family member is sick, a relative can stay or a housemaid can help take care of the sick, or sometimes a private nurse is employed to take care of the sick. In america, or in other countries that I have worked, That will never work, you are not just putting your license at risk, but putting the life of your patients at risk!.


    You guys are correct, The number of filipino workers working overseas are enormous and yes I would say this is alarming, because of the feared phenomena of brain drain. but sadly we cannot stop this because we have to work, we cannot afford to stay in the house and wait for food stamps (there is no such thing as food stamp in the philippines) No work No money No food. The government officials are busy making themselves rich that they forget to tend to the needs of their unfortunate constituents. That leave us no choice but to go out and work in countries that need and welcome us.

    Lastly I do not agree with what she said that the Philippines produces the best Nurses.
    Its a global thing, given the right education and good working condition and of course good pay,regardless of your race or nationality, we all can be good nurses.


    thanks
  7. by   nu one
    Quote from MOBITZ

    Also about the reply of my fellow Filipina about her being able to take care of 20 to 30 patients in one shift, in a philippine setting that is possible because of our culture, when one of the family member is sick, a relative can stay or a housemaid can help take care of the sick, or sometimes a private nurse is employed to take care of the sick. In america, or in other countries that I have worked, That will never work, you are not just putting your license at risk, but putting the life of your patients at risk!.


    You guys are correct, The number of filipino workers working overseas are enormous and yes I would say this is alarming, because of the feared phenomena of brain drain. but sadly we cannot stop this because we have to work, we cannot afford to stay in the house and wait for food stamps (there is no such thing as food stamp in the philippines) No work No money No food. The government officials are busy making themselves rich that they forget to tend to the needs of their unfortunate constituents. That leave us no choice but to go out and work in countries that need and welcome us.

    Lastly I do not agree with what she said that the Philippines produces the best Nurses.
    Its a global thing, given the right education and good working condition and of course good pay,regardless of your race or nationality, we all can be good nurses.


    thanks

    You got it right...I couldn't agree more on the point that nursing in the Philippines is totally different compared to that in the US. And that the Filipino nurses are not always the best nurses there is. Reality check to those Filipinos who think they are the best there is, there are other nationalities who are just as good or even better...Let's not overdo the "being proud to be Filipino" thing.
  8. by   Rep
    Quote from nu one
    Reality check to those Filipinos who think they are the best there is, there are other nationalities who are just as good or even better...Let's not overdo the "being proud to be Filipino" thing.

    I totally agree.
  9. by   allamericangirl
    The safety of patients is the issue that should be given utmost consideration in importing foreign nurses to US hospitals. A thread just posted by a foreign nurse here at all nurses makes an vivid case that patients could suffer unintentional but obvious harm by a nurse that has not been indoctrinated in the same social values and laws as nurses in the US. OMG! Please read this post and you will see.
    Thread: We have this med order , read the Original Post and then post #5.
    The poster of #5 means no harm because what he/she suggests is acceptable thinking in their country, but it is not acceptable in the US! What this person said is so frightening that it made my hair stand on end.

    I'd copy and paste it all over here, but I don't know if that is allowed.


    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    A step in the right direction....we will see how it holds up. I think recruitment overseas needs to be VERY tightly regulated, period. For the good of all parties involved, it need NOT be a cottage industry, but a very careful and thoughtful undertaking.

    Just remember, everyone. NO ONE Nation has the "lock" on good nursing or patient care. I don't think Filipinos make "better nurses", although I know they are well-educated and dedicated hard workers.

    There are good nurses the world-over.The USA also has some of the best educated and dedicated nurses in the world. Just because many of these great nurses are not willing to accept lousy or dangerous conditions---it does not mean they don't care or are greedy. They want to protect their patients' wellbeing and their own, as well. Nothing wrong with that.
  10. by   carvanaragon
    taking care of 20 patients really do happen in some government hospitals in the philippines and it is a very sad thing that it does. it is very risky and no matter what, the care that should be provided could not be given. especially, during the last 10 years, where the healthcare services had been devolved to the local government. sometimes, the local government do not prioritize healthcare services that is why this happens. the budget that goes to the healthcare services goes somewhere else. so even if there are positions available, they rather not hire additional personnels to avoid spending on salaries and benefits. it is shameful that this occurs. little is being done about this problem because of the lack of laws that governs this.

    in the healthcare side, we have to cater to the needs of our patients no matter how many they are. it is difficult but we have to do it. no one is going to do it anyway.

    remedies are being done however, people in the area try to help each other. a family member, private nurse or companion is allowed to stay to help with the healthcare needs of the patient. as part of the filipino culture, patients would rather have a family member assist them in their basic needs like bathing etc.

    in the hospital where i worked, the physicians-in-charge ( not all ) helped a lot. takes care of the unstable patients. sometimes, does monitoring more often, carries out orders he himself make or simply hangs around the nurses station during the tour of duty. the MD's insert NGT, IFC, IV's etc.

    just to give you a bird's eye view how an RN could take care of that number of patients in their shift.
  11. by   mtreyes
    Quote from marymary
    I can comment on my own personal experiences. I have that right, and I have several friends that have had similar experiences. That is the privilege of living in America, freedom of speech. I also have some wonderful friends that are Filipino. But like I mentioned before I am not talking about the entire group of people only the group that worked with me that were evil, not all. You are misinterpreting the message.
    you are not suppose to speak on behalf of your fireinds, whom you said also experienced what you experienced because we can never know if you are telling the truth.... you may have some bad experiences with Filipino nurses but you have no right to make it appear in this thread that all Filipino nurses are bad.... and besides, you are suppose to study latest trends in the nursing profession.... i suggest you read more on TRANSCULTURAL NURSING. just do your job in taking good care of your patient and i am pretty sure you will earn the respect of your collegues, especially the Filipinos...
  12. by   snowfreeze
    They are not entering into our system quickly now. The facility that I work in has used phillipine nurses for 3 years and now they all have left for better places or for family commitments here in the USA. Some were good nurses and those are going on to further training now some are not so good and not reliable. Those are going somewhere for family commitment jobs also. A different social environment than ours. We invited them here. I hope all that come here do fulfill our needs as we are certainly fulfilling their needs.
  13. by   darkbrownhairgirl
    Quote from NurseFirst
    Why won't there ever be a shortage of nurses or doctors in the Phillipines?

    thanks,

    NurseFirst
    Coz millions of filipinos are now taking up nursing, even doctors. In fact it is the government's fault why a lot of filipino nurses are working overseas because a lot of them were unemployed. I don't think that it is only in the philippines that there is a shortage, in fact filipinos are helping to fill in the gap in other countries.
    Every 6 months, thousands of nursing students are passing the licensure exams. It's a question whether philippine government solve the problem of unemployment for nurses.

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