Number of Philippine Nurses Emigrating Skyrockets - page 11

The Philippines exports 15,000 nurses a year, and it's estimated that 1 in 10 Filipinos now works abroad. The nursing drain could have a crippling effect on the Philippines healthcare system. ... Read More

  1. by   jnette
    Quote from 3rdShiftGuy

    We are an immigrant nation. We've been one since for about 500 years. The shift from Europe to Asian and Hispanic countries has gotten many European Americans in a tizzy the last 30 or so years I've noticed and prejidice is rampant against immigrants. Then again back in the old days the Italians didn't like the Irish who didn't like the English who didn't like the Germans..................
    whooohooooooooooo !!!

    You got it, Tweety !

    I have REALLY been trying to avoid this thread, because I simply CANNOT tolerate ignorance, bias, hatred... and sometimes I want to just jump into this screen and SHAKE some people !

    Why, oh WHY can we not just look for similarities in one another instead of differences? For connections, rather than for ways to break communications down? For the beauty in each face and smile instead of allowing our OWN ugliness to be reflected in the faces of the ones we judge.... :stone

    People connect with the HEART.. and the heart is visible in the eyes.
    But first one must have the courage to look the other in the eye and not fear the revelation that in truth we are more alike than we are different.

    That's my and on that note, I'm outta here !
  2. by   SJSU_Mami
    Quote from PFDGB
    Don't take it so personal.... :chuckle

    You, PFDGB, stating that people of my culture lack integrity, lack values, and lack self-respect, is something I take personally. You shouldn't have said such an ignorant statement and I hope you learn from your mistakes.
  3. by   slrafter
    It's time to end this thread
  4. by   PFDGB
    Quote from fergus51
    Why shouldn't they get social security if they worked here and payed into it?

    I do think our perception of immigration is significantly warped. Illegal immigration is one issue, but legal immigrants are not given a free ride by any means.
    Like I said earlier it's not such a bad thing if the poeple that come here are legal, pay taxes, contribute tax dollars to the school systems and so on. I don't have a problem so much with it if that is the case however I do believe that the answer to the so called nursing shortage is not to import workers. Our government needs to start working with the ANA and issues such as nurse/patient ratios, stop mandating nurses to hours that risk our patients lives and our license. That is what has caused part of the problem. If I were from another country that had little to offer me I too would take every opportunity for myself and family. But, what I wouldn't do is what so often happens here in this country by people of late that have immigrated "the lack of assimilation" Immigration by my ancestors was a positive thing for this country because we became part of what already existed and did it willingly. Today most people that come to this country think it should be like their own homeland (their language and culture). Well, it's not their homeland it's America. Yes, I welcome all hard working poeple here but don't think your going to come here and treat me like I'm the stranger. Speak english and become part of our culture and then maybe so many americans would not be so angry. What say you ? I think that is only fair.
  5. by   Tweety
    Quote from PFDGB
    Like I said earlier it's not such a bad thing if the poeple that come here are legal, pay taxes, contribute tax dollars to the school systems and so on. I don't have a problem so much with it if that is the case however I do believe that the answer to the so called nursing shortage is not to import workers. Our government needs to start working with the ANA and issues such as nurse/patient ratios, stop mandating nurses to hours that risk our patients lives and our license. That is what has caused part of the problem. If I were from another country that had little to offer me I too would take every opportunity for myself and family. But, what I wouldn't do is what so often happens here in this country by people of late that have immigrated "the lack of assimilation" Immigration by my ancestors was a positive thing for this country because we became part of what already existed and did it willingly. Today most people that come to this country think it should be like their own homeland (their language and culture). Well, it's not their homeland it's America. Yes, I welcome all hard working poeple here but don't think your going to come here and treat me like I'm the stranger. Speak english and become part of our culture and then maybe so many americans would not be so angry. What say you ? I think that is only fair.

    I can't say I disagree with anything you've said. But our ancestors did establish neighborhoods and burroughs around the country. There are areas in Michigan for instance that have a lot of Polish people, they stuck together, held onto their homeland, etc. But of course when you dial a bank in Michigan, it doesn't say "For Polish hit #2 for English #3", although there are Polish language churches, etc. there (and here for that matter). There are Amish communities that are carbon copies of their life in Europe and they speak a different language at home and church. Our ancestors held on to the old country as well while blending in the dominant culture, it's just convenient for us to forget that. But when non-European cultures of today do the same things Americans get angry at them for not being American enough.

    Also, I think it's an American stereotype that immigrants don't want to come a part of our culture, that they only come to make money and take advantage, and don't want to contribute or have anything to do with anything American. I simply don't believe that and won't buy into the stereotypes about immigrants.
    Last edit by Tweety on Feb 25, '05
  6. by   PFDGB
    Quote from 3rdShiftGuy
    I can't say I disagree with anything you've said. But our ancestors did establish neighborhoods and burroughs around the country. There are areas in Michigan for instance that have a lot of Polish people, they stuck together, held onto their homeland, etc. But of course when you dial a bank in Michigan, it doesn't say "For Polish hit #2 for English #3", although there are Polish language churches, etc. there (and here for that matter). There are Amish communities that are carbon copies of their life in Europe and they speak a different language at home and church. Our ancestors held on to the old country as well while blending in the dominant culture, it's just convenient for us to forget that. But when non-European cultures of today do the same things Americans get angry at them for not being American enough.

    That is my point exacly. Yes they did have their own little commmunities but they did assimilate once they learned the english language. The problem now is that immigrants want to make their language our language. I'm tired of having to "press #1 for English" Why don't they have to press a different number for their language or better yet not have the option to begin with. What they don't realize is not speaking our language "ENGLISH" puts them in a situation to be further oppressed. They will never make it further up the ladder unless they can speak fluent english. Why is it that they don't see this ? Anyway, I've spoken my mind about all of this and I guess we should enbd this before it gets worse. But, I'm not the one who posted the orginal topic on Filipino immigration to the Americas.......I've just responded according to my conscience and patriotism...See ya on another topic... :Melody:
    Last edit by PFDGB on Feb 25, '05
  7. by   rkm
    I personally don't mind paying taxes to the U.S. government. At least, there is no corruption and the taxes go where they ought to go. Unlike in the Philippines where the congressmen and senators use the taxpayers' money to buy votes from the taxpayers themselves so they can keep their family name forever in power, be it the wife, the husband or the son or daughter. We are being fried in our own oil. The Philippines is run by hopelessly corrupt politicians who want nothing but power and to stay in office forever. One kilometer of road once cost only one million pesos in the past, now it's 12 million pesos, but the cost is still one million. Why? The senator gets a cut out of the pork barrel allocated for the project, the congressman gets some, the governor is given, the mayor cuts, the contractor gets his - in the end, what we get is a road with very low quality at a very big original budget.
    And the war in the south? Some say that it's one big drama to keep the aid and budget coming. War is business in the Philippines.
  8. by   fergus51
    I think we've warped topics a lot. All the nurses that immigrate to the US learn English PFDGB. It's a requirement for licensing and immigration. A lot of them have accents, but none of them have the option of not speaking English. Also they ALL have to pay American taxes same as you or me.
  9. by   Tweety
    "The problem now is that immigrants want to make their language our language."

    This again is probably a stereotype. Big business who want the Hispanic dollars are responsible for this sort of thing, not that the immigrants want to make their language our language. I don't see a big movement by the Hispanic population to force Spanish and their culture on America. It's that they work, have incomes and spend that money that big business is catering to them for their money.

    But I hear you. This is America and we speak English here. Whenever I go to Miami I feel like I'm not in America anymore. Of course if I went to French speaking areas of Louisiana or Maine, I might feel the same way.
  10. by   nu one
    Quote from rkm
    I personally don't mind paying taxes to the U.S. government. At least, there is no corruption and the taxes go where they ought to go. Unlike in the Philippines where the congressmen and senators use the taxpayers' money to buy votes from the taxpayers themselves so they can keep their family name forever in power, be it the wife, the husband or the son or daughter. We are being fried in our own oil. The Philippines is run by hopelessly corrupt politicians who want nothing but power and to stay in office forever. One kilometer of road once cost only one million pesos in the past, now it's 12 million pesos, but the cost is still one million. Why? The senator gets a cut out of the pork barrel allocated for the project, the congressman gets some, the governor is given, the mayor cuts, the contractor gets his - in the end, what we get is a road with very low quality at a very big original budget.
    And the war in the south? Some say that it's one big drama to keep the aid and budget coming. War is business in the Philippines.
    fftopic: Sweetie, anywhere you go, there is corruption. It's just worst in the Philippines. But you're right, at least here in the US we really see some sort of evidence that the taxes we are paying is used as it should be. Maybe that's why we like it here to the point of wanting to stay and become citizens. And maybe later on for our great-greatgrandchildren to think that they are Americans by birth and they have every bragging right to say that this is their nation. One thing I know about Filipinos, though, is that they will try to make their children and the children of their children realize that they came from the Philippines and it is something that they should never forget. That way, they will be brought down to earth and realize that those who have just come from other places have every right to be treated as humans and not to be discriminated just because they tried to find a way to better their lives.
  11. by   SmilingBluEyes
    NO corruption in US government and taxation? Ummmm where did you get THIS impression????
  12. by   Rep
    This thread is not an attack against Americans. If you read carefully the posts here, you will find posts attacking Filipinos nurses, their behaviors, work attitudes, etc written by xenophobic people claiming that it is their God-given rights to be Americans and not giving to people who just want to better their lot here in the US.

    Quote from dizzylizzie
    :angryfire This personal attack on me is exactly the kind of bad behavior and reverse discrimination that I am complaining about. I am not criticizing the Philipinos personnally, but professionally and in my own experience.

    This IS my country-I refuse to be discriminated against in my own country with foreign nurses talking negatively about the "white nurses" out loud among themselves -loud enough to make sure we hear- and to our faces with a smile -like that makes what they say ok.

    This IS my country -I was born here and have lived here all my life. My family has been here for 400+ years and has made significant contributions to the betterment of this country. We are PROUD to be American and to live and work here. I'm not here to take money, complain and then leave. When my family came here, we came as English subjects to an English Colony-no immigrant here.

    This IS my country-and as an American citizen I have the right of free speech and the right to express my opinion. If you don't like Americans and/or America don't come here.

    This IS my country-without people like those in my family who came here and persevered, built business and livelihoods, there wouldn't be a place for you to complain about, to come to and take advantage of.

    This IS my country- and I'm tired of people from other countries with no intention to stay or become citizens-who come here with their hand outstretched, who only complain, make no contribution, talk about how awful we are, how much better it is at "home"-(if it's so great at home why aren't you still there?), who don't have any thing positive to say about us and then expect us to solve all of their problems here and at "home". Take, Take, Take.

    If they're treated so badly here, then Why don't the Philipinos make home better?

    It's time to end this thread and the attack on Americans.:angryfire
  13. by   Rep
    WOW!!! So you have class and values and that we belong to a lesser group of people because as you said " we come from a society that is of lesser class that lacks integrity and self respect." Boy, you do have breeding and from your posts we can assume you do have a lot of integrity and self respect. No wonder we see a lot of bias and hatred here because of people like you thinking you are above everybody.

    I, as a Filipino nurse , want to immigrate to the US because I can give a better future to my family than in my homeland and I have no rancor with any group of people whether they are white, brown or yellow.

    Quote from PFDGB
    Dizzylizzie....Keep up the great work. I couldn't have said it better myself. Remember one thing though; people like the ones you are referring to come from a soicety that is of lesser class and it's not their fault that they lack integrity and self respect. In their country they have no value so they are in search of this here in our country. But values must be taught at a very young age it is not something so easily attained later on after full development. Remember what you've learned about growth and development. Nobody that I personaly know has a greater distain than I about the influx from other countries; but to survive this rage I find a more positive way of turning it around. That is "treat others as you would like them to treat you" and if that doesn't work "Give it right back to them" and tell them that they're only being used. Just like the Mexicans crossing the border to work the fields. Pretty soon they'll be the slaves in our hospitals wating on us hand and foot.....That's how I get through it. What say you ?

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