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No. 10
from Dalzac
Old Jul 05, 2007, 10:11 PM

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I am so happy they dropped the charges. and I hope the doc turns out well. When I read that story last summer it just made me sick about why they even filed charges. What were the folks supposed to do? Stay and watch the patients just die of starvation and go with out water which would have been worse and what about the nurses they had to stay and constantly freak about their families? And the administration did absolutely nothing to help them after they saved their own butts????? I am glad this worked out for the nurses.
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No. 11
from CHATSDALE
Old Jul 05, 2007, 10:59 PM

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we won't know for some time what the nurses testified to in the no case but there was different slants on the case at the time
foti [ag] got up in front of a bank of cameras and stated that the pts were given lethal dosages but another md stated that the atopsy could not reveal that to any certainty
hope that dr pou is cleared.
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No. 12
from Jolie
Old Jul 07, 2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sonnyluv View Post
let me ask you a question, in the instance that you sited as your example of precedent, should the nurse have been prosecuted? Is there such thing as a sentinel medication error so severe that it warrants criminal prosecution?
But in this instance, we are talking about "mercy killing". What would have been more criminal, to let those patients starve to death and eventually collapse or to as gently as possible end their lives. Either outcome could be prosecuted by a desperate enough attorney.
Thanks for the info, though!
sunnyluv,

You raise an interesting point. The difference in these 2 cases is that the nurses prosecuted for the med error that caused the death of the infant were not alleged to have acted intentionally, while those in the Katrina case were accused of deliberately taking the lives of their patients.

In my opinion (for what it is worth), it is wrong to prosecute nurses (or any healthcare professionals) for accidental mistakes. I don't see the benefit to society of locking up well-meaning professionals who make mistakes, regardless of the outcome of those mistakes. I'm not making light of the death of a patient, but society can be protected from the actions of these professionals by simply taking their licenses away. And the families of patients harmed by medical mistakes have the civil courts available to them to recover monetary damages.

If a healthcare professional has CLEARLY acted deliberately to harm a patient, then I agree that criminal charges may be warranted in order to protect society from this person's possible future actions. (As in the Charles Cullen case.) However, in the Katrina case, I think that it is far from clear that the nurses and doctors did anything wrong.
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No. 13
from mcubed45
Old Jul 07, 2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie View Post
I'm not sure I understand your post. Are you saying that there are no legal grounds or precedents for filing criminal charges against an RN for activities performed in the course of one's nursing employment duties?

If so, that is not the case. If I remember correctly, there were 2RN's and an NP brought up on criminal charges about 5-7 years ago in CO for an error in medication administration that led to the death of an infant. I don't believe that they were charged with any intentional wrongdoing, but the district attorney argued that their actions were so negligent as to be criminal. Again, if I remember correctly, one agreed to a plea deal and 2 were cleared at trial. When I have time later, I'll search for link to an article.
umm are you familiar with the Katrina case?

basically a bunch of critical patients and staff were essentially abandoned at the hospital. after a couple days they were out of supplies and it was clear no help was coming. when the staff was forced to leave to save their own lives, they were forced to make the decision between letting their patients die slow and painful deaths or to euthanize them.

this case has nothing to do with medical errors or negligence. it's an issue of ethics in a horrible disaster situation.
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No. 14
from Jolie
Old Jul 07, 2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mcubed45 View Post
umm are you familiar with the Katrina case?

basically a bunch of critical patients and staff were essentially abandoned at the hospital. after a couple days they were out of supplies and it was clear no help was coming. when the staff was forced to leave to save their own lives, they were forced to make the decision between letting their patients die slow and painful deaths or to euthanize them.

this case has nothing to do with medical errors or negligence. it's an issue of ethics in a horrible disaster situation.
mcubed,

I know that this thread is about the criminal case against the nurses and doctors charged in the deaths of patients after Katrina.

I don't think you read the first page of the thread. sunnyluv remarked that she didn't think there was any legal precedent for criminal prosecution of RNs for their actions in the line of duty. I was making her aware of a case in CO a number of years ago where nurses were criminally charged in the death of an infant that resulted from a series of medical errors. I was trying to make the point that if one DA was willing to criminally charge nurses who made a series of errors, it was not a stretch for another DA to criminally charge nurses who were alleged to have acted deliberately in the death of patients.
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No. 15
from mcubed45
Old Jul 07, 2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie View Post
mcubed,

I know that this thread is about the criminal case against the nurses and doctors charged in the deaths of patients after Katrina.

I don't think you read the first page of the thread. sunnyluv remarked that she didn't think there was any legal precedent for criminal prosecution of RNs for their actions in the line of duty. I was making her aware of a case in CO a number of years ago where nurses were criminally charged in the death of an infant that resulted from a series of medical errors. I was trying to make the point that if one DA was willing to criminally charge nurses who made a series of errors, it was not a stretch for another DA to criminally charge nurses who were alleged to have acted deliberately in the death of patients.
ic ic. my mistake. the case you cited just seemed unrelated at first. i see what you're getting at though.
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No. 16
Old Jul 08, 2007, 06:55 AM

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I hope that they did not give the nurses immunity in order to try to get them to implicate Dr. Pou. No one who volunteered to stay in that hospital should get anything but thanks for their courage. The nurse's lawyer said that they would tell the truth, as they have all along. I hope that they will all tell their stories to this nation when they are free, because we need to hear it.
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No. 17
from icie rn
Old Jul 08, 2007, 09:49 AM

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This whole situation was and is so sad. I am glad these nurses are no longer facing charges, I hope the doctor has a positive outcome as well. I only hope the city, even the whole nation has learned something from this disaster .
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No. 18
Old Jul 09, 2007, 06:15 AM

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Having been born in New Orleans, going to college and nursing school in New Orleans, and hope to one day work as a nurse in New Orleans, I am so glad that these charges have been dropped. I don't know if any of you know, but there has been much talk here that these nurses were indeed guilty. People feel that with all the chaos during Katrina, these nurses wanted to make their lives easier by "getting rid of problems". I'm sure this wasn't the case, and I wouldn't want everyone to be under the impression that all nurses are this way. I hope all goes well with Dr. Pou.
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No. 19
from P_RN
Old Jul 09, 2007, 03:24 PM

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I had totally missed that news, so thank you Karen. Now we wait for the doctor's outcome?
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