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- Aug 2, '12 by jadelpnQuote from imintroubleYes, I am one of those women. Everyone has a choice. Ones that others before us fought long and hard to give us right to make. There's a boatload of smart, savvy women out there. As a nurse we educate, but the ultimate choice is the mothers. And putting formula under lock and key, (and I would be interested to know how many women would leave well before the 24 hour minimum as to not have to be questioned for a decision they have made after being educated on the importance of breast feeding) is just strongly "convincing" a woman that she is somehow less of a mother for not choosing to breastfeed. And abortion is another topic all together. Although the choices women make may not be in keeping with our own, we need to start respecting a women's right to make them.Some of the women posting here are the same ones who would defend to the death a woman's right to choose.
I guess it depends of what choice we're making.
- Aug 2, '12 by JZ_RNI'm not trying to say they should force breastfeeding. I'm saying that formula from WIC should be discontinued unless a woman has a medical reason for not being able to breastfeed. And that all women should be encouraged to breastfeed because unless they have a communicable disease, it is best for her and her child.
- Aug 2, '12 by jadelpnAnd just so I make myself CRYSTAL clear, I am pro-choice NOT pro-abortion. I am all for breastfeeding and think it is the best choice, but not the only choice. And the government getting involved at all--keep the governmental interference OUT of my private parts, thank you.
And I am so very curious, with the government getting all caught up in women's rights, I wonder what would happen if they would make it exceedingly difficult to get boys circumcised or that all boys had to be or mothers made to feel like less of a mother for either choice? A personal decision, a religious decsion.....whatever the decision, it a personal private choice.
- Aug 3, '12 by NicuGalBelieve me, I am all for breastfeeding, esp in the population I see, but you can NOT force someone to do what they don't want to, no matter how much you try to educate them. We still get moms of micropreemies that don't want to even pump for a month, what are we supposed to do, tie them down and throw a pump on them? What about the moms who can't breastfeed due to medical reasons, meds, etc? Is this guy even educated on that? I have also worked with moms who felt forced into breastfeeding and they are miserable to work with...don't want to put forth the effort to try to get the kid on the breast, they aren't educated about it and don't care to be. Sorry, but I feel for the New York people. Wonder how long it will be until there is a lawsuit about this. Our society loves this kind of stuff.
- Aug 3, '12 by kloneNicuGal, nobody is forcing anything. WHat they're doing is providing MORE education, the requirement of documentation and accountability to the nursing staff for when an exclusively breastfed baby is being given a bottle of formula, and the requirement that formula be kept in the Pyxis machine (again, documentation and accountability, plus, it cuts down on staff theft, which is a huge problem). Again, I strongly urge everyone to read this article, which gives a REAL LIFE example of how this actually plays out, rather than all the hyperbolic crap that's out there.
- Aug 3, '12 by imintroubleQuote from jadelpnI think we're on the same side.Yes, I am one of those women. Everyone has a choice. Ones that others before us fought long and hard to give us right to make. There's a boatload of smart, savvy women out there. As a nurse we educate, but the ultimate choice is the mothers. And putting formula under lock and key, (and I would be interested to know how many women would leave well before the 24 hour minimum as to not have to be questioned for a decision they have made after being educated on the importance of breast feeding) is just strongly "convincing" a woman that she is somehow less of a mother for not choosing to breastfeed. And abortion is another topic all together. Although the choices women make may not be in keeping with our own, we need to start respecting a women's right to make them.
I'm going to have to work on my posts.
- Aug 4, '12 by edmiaQuote from nursel56I don't think so. I tried looking for it but it was honestly about 15 years ago if I remember correctly. The family had more than one infant and it may have taken place in another country. I wish I could find it. It impacted me so much that I often thought of them when I was beast feeding my kiddos.Decided to stay out of this one.
edmia - is this the story you were referring to?
Jim and Jennifer Stolpa and their infant son -
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- Aug 7, '12 by DoGoodThenGoQuote from edmiaOne recalls that tragic event.I find it really hard to believe that with all the science and evidence available regarding the superiority of breast milk over formula that exists out there that any nurse would not support breastfeeding as the only option viable for a healthy mother and child.
I'm not saying that there are cases where it is not possible for babies to latch on, I know there are, but in this case, we should have affordable (and health insurance covered) breast milk banks to provide those infants who absolutely cannot latch on with the best nutrition possible.
And, no, your child will not be dumb if you don't feed them breast milk, but your child will have higher chances of having food allergies and being obese.
I also saw a post in this thread that talked about mothers who aren't comfortable breastfeeding. Huh???? Do we really think that an individual that feels it is disgusting to feed their child with the tools nature has provided so wisely is fit to be a parent? I don't think so. That kid will have some issues later on in life because if a mother cannot bear to hold her child skin to skin in order to feed it, then you bet that mother will not hold her baby often at all. Sad.
The idea with this initiative is to encourage mothers to do just that -- be mothers. If this kind of initiative became a nationwide idea, then mothers would stand up for themselves at work and demand more family friendly maternity leave and also stand up once they go back to work and demand appropriate breaks and storage for pumping milk so they don't have to do it in the bathroom stall... Just saying that this is a culture change we must promote in order to support strong families and better rights for working mothers. And not just working mothers. Women should not be ashamed of feeding their child in public for goodness sakes! Or having to cover themselves under those ridiculous breastfeeding privacy tents that are being sold now. I could not believe the first time I saw one of those things -- they only perpetuate the idea that feeding a child the food that nature provided for it is gross and should be done behind closed doors. Absolutely insane.
And lastly, if you really think that it is a choice to breastfeed instead of an obligation as a female of the human species, think about this: I remember a few years ago reading a news report about a family stranded in a car in a snow storm. The mother was breastfeeding the baby and was able to maintain her children (not just the baby) hydrated and alive during their 4 or 5 day stint stuck in the middle of nowhere in winter until rescue arrived. Do you think this would have been possible if that baby was formula fed? There is a reason why we have breasts that produce milk until our human babies are independent enough to feed on other things. It's called basic survival of the species.
IIRC a couple (either the husband and or wife were of Asian descent) and their two children became stranded during a snow storm somewhere in the Pacific Northwest or some such. The husband left the car and his family to seek assistance, leaving the wife and two children behind. Sadly the man became lost/never reached aid and perished. The mother and her two children were eventually found and rescued several days or perhaps a week or so later. When queried on how she was able to keep her children going for such a long period of time without food or fresh water, the mother answered she fed both children breast milk (the youngest had not yet been weaned).
Wonderful story of survival and such that all this maybe, you are still going to have to do better to convince many NYC mothers to breastfeed when not already inclined to to so.
On one end of the spectrum you have women who wouldn't be caught dead traveling by car on a long journey much less during a snow storm. On the other you have women who come from places that don't even know what snow much less a serious storm is, and that for the past several years includes NYC where aside from the odd "storm of the century" there hasn't been sustained below freezing weather much less snow for years now.
Coroner: Kim died of exposure, hypothermia - CNN