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Starting September 3, 2012 under a new program enacted by Mayor Bloomberg New York City will keep count of all bottles of formula stocked and distributed by NYC hospitals. Formula must also be kept... Read More

  1. Visit  imintrouble profile page
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    Quote from jadelpn
    Yes, I am one of those women. Everyone has a choice. Ones that others before us fought long and hard to give us right to make. There's a boatload of smart, savvy women out there. As a nurse we educate, but the ultimate choice is the mothers. And putting formula under lock and key, (and I would be interested to know how many women would leave well before the 24 hour minimum as to not have to be questioned for a decision they have made after being educated on the importance of breast feeding) is just strongly "convincing" a woman that she is somehow less of a mother for not choosing to breastfeed. And abortion is another topic all together. Although the choices women make may not be in keeping with our own, we need to start respecting a women's right to make them.
    I think we're on the same side.
    I'm going to have to work on my posts.
  2. Visit  edmia profile page
    #27 0
    Quote from nursel56
    Decided to stay out of this one.

    edmia - is this the story you were referring to?

    Jim and Jennifer Stolpa and their infant son -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowbou...r_Stolpa_Story
    I don't think so. I tried looking for it but it was honestly about 15 years ago if I remember correctly. The family had more than one infant and it may have taken place in another country. I wish I could find it. It impacted me so much that I often thought of them when I was beast feeding my kiddos.

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  3. Visit  anon456 profile page
    #28 5
    I think people need to stop telling women what to do with their bodies.
  4. Visit  DoGoodThenGo profile page
    #29 0
    Quote from edmia
    I find it really hard to believe that with all the science and evidence available regarding the superiority of breast milk over formula that exists out there that any nurse would not support breastfeeding as the only option viable for a healthy mother and child.

    I'm not saying that there are cases where it is not possible for babies to latch on, I know there are, but in this case, we should have affordable (and health insurance covered) breast milk banks to provide those infants who absolutely cannot latch on with the best nutrition possible.

    And, no, your child will not be dumb if you don't feed them breast milk, but your child will have higher chances of having food allergies and being obese.

    I also saw a post in this thread that talked about mothers who aren't comfortable breastfeeding. Huh???? Do we really think that an individual that feels it is disgusting to feed their child with the tools nature has provided so wisely is fit to be a parent? I don't think so. That kid will have some issues later on in life because if a mother cannot bear to hold her child skin to skin in order to feed it, then you bet that mother will not hold her baby often at all. Sad.

    The idea with this initiative is to encourage mothers to do just that -- be mothers. If this kind of initiative became a nationwide idea, then mothers would stand up for themselves at work and demand more family friendly maternity leave and also stand up once they go back to work and demand appropriate breaks and storage for pumping milk so they don't have to do it in the bathroom stall... Just saying that this is a culture change we must promote in order to support strong families and better rights for working mothers. And not just working mothers. Women should not be ashamed of feeding their child in public for goodness sakes! Or having to cover themselves under those ridiculous breastfeeding privacy tents that are being sold now. I could not believe the first time I saw one of those things -- they only perpetuate the idea that feeding a child the food that nature provided for it is gross and should be done behind closed doors. Absolutely insane.

    And lastly, if you really think that it is a choice to breastfeed instead of an obligation as a female of the human species, think about this: I remember a few years ago reading a news report about a family stranded in a car in a snow storm. The mother was breastfeeding the baby and was able to maintain her children (not just the baby) hydrated and alive during their 4 or 5 day stint stuck in the middle of nowhere in winter until rescue arrived. Do you think this would have been possible if that baby was formula fed? There is a reason why we have breasts that produce milk until our human babies are independent enough to feed on other things. It's called basic survival of the species.

    Rant done
    One recalls that tragic event.

    IIRC a couple (either the husband and or wife were of Asian descent) and their two children became stranded during a snow storm somewhere in the Pacific Northwest or some such. The husband left the car and his family to seek assistance, leaving the wife and two children behind. Sadly the man became lost/never reached aid and perished. The mother and her two children were eventually found and rescued several days or perhaps a week or so later. When queried on how she was able to keep her children going for such a long period of time without food or fresh water, the mother answered she fed both children breast milk (the youngest had not yet been weaned).

    Wonderful story of survival and such that all this maybe, you are still going to have to do better to convince many NYC mothers to breastfeed when not already inclined to to so.

    On one end of the spectrum you have women who wouldn't be caught dead traveling by car on a long journey much less during a snow storm. On the other you have women who come from places that don't even know what snow much less a serious storm is, and that for the past several years includes NYC where aside from the odd "storm of the century" there hasn't been sustained below freezing weather much less snow for years now.


    Coroner: Kim died of exposure, hypothermia - CNN
  5. Visit  nursewreched profile page
    #30 1
    Quote from edmia
    I find it really hard to believe that with all the science and evidence available regarding the superiority of breast milk over formula that exists out there that any nurse would not support breastfeeding as the only option viable for a healthy mother and child.

    I also saw a post in this thread that talked about mothers who aren't comfortable breastfeeding. Huh???? Do we really think that an individual that feels it is disgusting to feed their child with the tools nature has provided so wisely is fit to be a parent? I don't think so. That kid will have some issues later on in life because if a mother cannot bear to hold her child skin to skin in order to feed it, then you bet that mother will not hold her baby often at all. Sad.
    judgemental much? How nice that your opinions should rule every mother out there. So anyone who doesn't choose to breastfeed is an unfit mother? OMG, my mother was horrible. All 7 of us kids were sooooooo mistreated cause we didn't get the tit. Not one of us had any issues with closeness with either of our parents, the lack of boobness in our first year did not stop us from being Walton-like in our family love and values. Sorry if your own personal mommy-doesn't-love-me issues has colored your life.

    Please do NOT take it upon yourself to tell me what my ONLY OPTIONS should be when it comes to rearing MY children.
    (oh, "only option" above bolded by me, not original poster)

    /end rant
  6. Visit  nursewreched profile page
    #31 1
    Quote from klone
    It may be a personal choice, but it's also a public health issue, and it's also probably the first major health decision you make for your child, so yeah, it is sort of in the purview of your pediatrician and the hospital staff to provide education and teaching on it. They would be totally failing at their jobs if they didn't.
    I have no issues with someone being educated about breast feeding. Just not brow beaten into submission. Someone posted that the nurses should educate and if that fails have another person come in to educate and if *that* fails, explain the god-awful procedure of having to get the formula out of the pyxis and document and submit information to the government and wouldn't it be best to just try again. At that point, I'd be telling them to bring me the <expletive> formula and then get the <expletive> out of my room and don't bring it the up again. And if it is too much trouble to do your <expletive> job of getting it out of the machine, then get me a nurse who doesn't have a problem with it. (Well, the expletives might be said on the inside, but the rest of it would be said hotly and loudly to the nurse in question.)

    I have no problems with breast feeding. I actually agree that it is the best route. I also think it's the best route when my adult patients follow their plan of care and take meds as ordered. And I will educate to that. What I will NOT do is make judgement calls on their value as a person, husband, wife, mother, etc based upon the decisions they ultimately make.
  7. Visit  HouTx profile page
    #32 2
    Wow - this is really enlightening for me - never worked in this clinical area... never wanted to .... actively avoided it.

    I get completely weirded out when (male) politicos make laws which dictate what women can do with their bodies (Handmaid's Tale???) Seems to me that this is the same bunch that continually decreases support for women's health, refuses to mandate any post-natal paid leave, and castigates women who are the recipients of child welfare payments while doing diddly squat to make 'unwed fathers' take any responsibility. I'm tired of the paternalistic attitude - women are slightly dim children who don't know any better and they must be told what to do - certainly can't be trusted to make our own health care decisions.

    So I'm curious- How are women supposed to work this into their minimum wage jobs with no place to pump, no place to store milk, etc? If breastfeeding is mandated, shouldn't employers be mandated to support it also?
  8. Visit  klone profile page
    #33 0
    Quote from nursewreched
    What I will NOT do is make judgement calls on their value as a person
    And where again are the nurses at these hospitals being required to do this?
  9. Visit  nursewreched profile page
    #34 1
    Quote from klone
    And where again are the nurses at these hospitals being required to do this?
    I was not referring to the nurses being required to do this, I was upset at a post stating any mother who would choose not to breast feed would be unfit and unwilling to even hold their child.
  10. Visit  klone profile page
    #35 1
    Quote from nursewreched
    I was not referring to the nurses being required to do this, I was upset at a post stating any mother who would choose not to breast feed would be unfit and unwilling to even hold their child.
    Ah. Well, that I can agree with (you, not the person who stated that opinion). I am an IBCLC and as such, I have a vested interested in women wanting to and trying to breastfeed. But I have no interest in forcing women to breastfeed. I only want to help the women who want to be helped. At the end of the day, I only care that babies get fed. If I wrung my hands over every mother who decided not to breastfeed, I'd burn out in about two weeks.
  11. Visit  edmia profile page
    #36 0
    Sorry, I can't help myself:

    http://www.lucieslist.com/breastfeeding-in-america/

    Facts to ponder.

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