New Orleans clinics to get millions; $$$ to recruit/retain nurses - page 2

from healthleadersmedia.com: new orleans clinics to get millions the secretary of the u.s. department of health and human services said that he would release a new round of grants totaling... Read More

  1. by   gitterbug
    No matter how much money they throw at people, New Orleans is not an option for many physicians or other medical professionals. I know those people who live there need care, but I am just one of thousands who does not want to take a chance on losing my life when the next big storm hits.
    I agree that the whole episode is a disgrace too many people suffered, but I cannot go and work there, for any amount of money.
  2. by   pickledpepperRN
    It is not realistic to think the population of an American city will be forcefully removed.

    People are there. They need healthcare.
  3. by   Sheri257
    Quote from spacenurse
    It is not realistic to think the population of an American city will be forcefully removed.

    People are there. They need healthcare.
    I'm not talking about forcing them ... I'm talking about using the money to give them incentive and to help them move.

    Great ... here's some healthcare but ... btw ... try not to drown during the next hurricane.

    And be sure to dodge those bullets when the looters take control of the city again ... although there's plenty of bullets to dodge right now since the crime is out of control ...

    The whole thing is ludricrous.

    :typing
    Last edit by Sheri257 on May 27, '07
  4. by   tddowney
    Quote from sockmonkey70
    I don't know why you would say it is stupid. If a proper system is implemented, the city can be salvaged. If you have never been to New Orleans, then you just wouldn't understand why it is so important to so many people.

    I have been to NO a few times. My view is that the people to whom it is so important should open the old pocketbook and shell out for its salvation. After all, if there are so many of them, it shouldn't be too expensive for anyone.

    Then there is no need to force taxpayers to bail out what will remain a very vulnerable city.
  5. by   tddowney
    Of course while we're spending billions on flood control for a city under sea level, that money won't be available for other things like health care, education, etc.

    Unless one believes in a fantasy world of unlimited resources.
  6. by   sockmonkey70
    Quote from Sheri257
    . New Orleans and, Louisiana overall, is a third world country. It's not like other places in the U.S. where you can at least get something for your tax dollars.
    :typing

    I am assuming you have visited both a third world country and Louisiana? Because I live in one, and have visited the other...and well..that's not a good comparison. I don't appreciate ignorant assumptions about a state I have grown up in and really love. I know the politics here are pretty screwed up, but we are NOT third world country.

    Quote from tddowney
    Of course while we're spending billions on flood control for a city under sea level, that money won't be available for other things like health care, education, etc.

    Unless one believes in a fantasy world of unlimited resources.
    Well if you haven't noticed, Louisiana isn't getting money for healthcare and education anyway (or it's not being used for that anyway)..and they probably won't. So what's the harm.

    Quote from gitterbug
    I know those people who live there need care, but I am just one of thousands who does not want to take a chance on losing my life when the next big storm hits.
    So many people lost their lives in Katrina because the economic demographics of New Orleans. The majority of the people that died didn't have cars to leave, what choice did they have? Walk? They are just living the way they have for generations, and they don't know any better. Of course their are middle and upper class sections, but those people weren't nearly as affected because they had the means and moeny to get out of there.

    I am utterly shocked at the lack of compassion you guys show. These people still need help, two years later. There is still devastation and rubble everywhere.
  7. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from sockmonkey70
    So many people lost their lives in Katrina because the economic demographics of New Orleans. The majority of the people that died didn't have cars to leave, what choice did they have? Walk? They are just living the way they have for generations, and they don't know any better. Of course their are middle and upper class sections, but those people weren't nearly as affected because they had the means and moeny to get out of there.

    I am utterly shocked at the lack of compassion you guys show. These people still need help, two years later. There is still devastation and rubble everywhere.
    There is NO lack of compassion here. If anything, we are showing more compassion, to question why we are endangering more people by enabling to stay in an area that is still inherently unsafe.

    It is actually less compassionate to rebuild without correcting the problems that caused the Katrina deathes. Let's just kill off another thousand or more people by encouraging them to stay or come to an area that deadly.

    I love NO, and feel nothing but sympathy for them. So why would I encourage more people to go there/stay there and die, the second time or the third time around. That is hardly "compassionate".

    I love NO and its culture, but dead children, men and women, and bodies in the street may overshadow that culture, if we aren't careful. Do you want that to be NO legacy?

    And the people of NO continue to permit unethical politicians in their jobs, as well as those that encourage racial division. And vote them in. We don't vote for them, they do. And they are responsible for that portion of the problem.

    Fix the levee system, get and then, expect health care to be built up. They probably would not have to pay that much. But to encourage HCWs to go to an area with that AG, those forprofit hospitals, and that amount of physical danger is foolhardy.

    Carolina (who survived Camille with her family in the attic and has survived and worked more hurricanes than she cares to admit).
  8. by   Sheri257
    Quote from sockmonkey70
    I am assuming you have visited both a third world country and Louisiana? Because I live in one, and have visited the other...and well..that's not a good comparison. I don't appreciate ignorant assumptions about a state I have grown up in and really love. I know the politics here are pretty screwed up, but we are NOT third world country.
    C'mon ...

    I grew up in New Orleans. Even people who lived there for decades always said it was a third world country.

    Ignorant assumptions? I lived there and covered politics there as a reporter for years ... Baton Rouge too.

    The politics is just screwed up? Let's see: I got the governor indicted TWICE and countless other officials.

    Every time I published a story the U.S. Attorney was on the phone asking for info ... because there was so much corruption to write about (including the Levee Board, btw, where there were weekly scandals).

    After I left I covered politics in Texas, Washington D.C. and California. I NEVER, EVER saw as much political corruption as I did in Lousiana ... not even with the federal government.

    So don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

    :typing
    Last edit by Sheri257 on May 27, '07
  9. by   Sheri257
    Quote from caroladybelle
    There is NO lack of compassion here. If anything, we are showing more compassion, to question why we are endangering more people by enabling to stay in an area that is still inherently unsafe.

    It is actually less compassionate to rebuild without correcting the problems that caused the Katrina deathes. Let's just kill off another thousand or more people by encouraging them to stay or come to an area that deadly.

    I love NO, and feel nothing but sympathy for them. So why would I encourage more people to go there/stay there and die, the second time or the third time around. That is hardly "compassionate".

    I love NO and its culture, but dead children, men and women, and bodies in the street may overshadow that culture, if we aren't careful. Do you want that to be NO legacy?

    And the people of NO continue to permit unethical politicians in their jobs, as well as those that encourage racial division. And vote them in. We don't vote for them, they do. And they are responsible for that portion of the problem.

    Fix the levee system, get and then, expect health care to be built up. They probably would not have to pay that much. But to encourage HCWs to go to an area with that AG, those forprofit hospitals, and that amount of physical danger is foolhardy.

    Carolina (who survived Camille with her family in the attic and has survived and worked more hurricanes than she cares to admit).
    Excellent post.

    :typing
  10. by   sockmonkey70
    I just don't see what you guys think should be done..Those people need healthcare. It is just not plausible to expect everyone to just abondon the city completely. Someone needs to take care of those people.
  11. by   NRSKarenRN
    Purpose of thread is to inform those living in area or considering moving here to provide healthcare that monies should be available to assist them....

    Please move discussion re rebuiiling efforts or politics to another thread in
    Current Events

    Thank y'all
  12. by   sockmonkey70
    Quote from Sheri257
    C'mon ...

    I grew up in New Orleans. Even people who lived there for decades always said it was a third world country.
    Just because people say it is a third world country doesn't mean it is..That is the only thing I was accusing you of being ignorant of. As far as I know, New Orleans and Louisiana are as technologically advanced as the rest of the nation, with capabilities for proficient health care for it's residents. Isn't Louisiana just as industrialized as the rest of the US?? Do we not have universities that produce well educated graduates that can go work anywhere in the US if they so choose? There is no famine, no rampant disease..Do you know what a third world country is??

    I was just a little insulted that you would compare our state to that, WHEN obviously it is not. I KNOW this state isn't the greatest, but I was just trying to point out your gross misuse of that comparison.

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