Napa Valley nursing students draw crowd as they protest use of ATI exam

  1. nvc nursing students draw crowd as they protest mandatory exam
    napa valley register - napa,ca,usa
    about 100 napa valley college nursing students filled the college board room thursday night in support of two students threatening to sue their school over nursing exams.

    in a special meeting with the college board of trustees, ashley mcmanus and christeta amoren-gonzalez voiced their frustration with the way the nursing program uses the assessment technologies institute test, or ati.

    in order for an nvc student to earn an associate degree in nursing, she must achieve a score within the 50th percentile nationally on the ati -- meaning she must perform as well as or better than half of those who take the test across the country.

    mcmanus and amoren-gonzalez, both in their last semester of the program, did not achieve the score needed and have been disqualified from the program.....
    Last edit by brian on Dec 6, '06
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  3. by   NRSKarenRN
    In order for an NVC student to earn an associate degree in nursing, she must achieve a score within the 50th percentile nationally on the ATI -- meaning she must perform as well as or better than half of those who take the test across the country.
    Purpose of this test per ATI:

    [S] The heart of ATI's Assessment Driven and Review program is the Content Mastery Series. This program aids students in the review and remediation process for the state licensing exam in nursing[/S]
    http://www.atitesting.com/ProductInfo/CARP.aspx

    Sounds like impropper use of test here.
  4. by   sunnyjohn
    Quote from NRSKarenRN
    Purpose of this test per ATI:

    [S] The heart of ATI’s Assessment Driven and Review program is the Content Mastery Series. This program aids students in the review and remediation process for the state licensing exam in nursing[/S]
    http://www.atitesting.com/ProductInfo/CARP.aspx

    Sounds like impropper use of test here.
    Sure does.

    Amoren-Gonzalez said that she spoke with a representative at the state Chancellor of Community Colleges' office, who said that the ATI is not on the list of approved assessment tools, and that the test may not be used as a requirement.
  5. by   dazey71
    We had to take a similar test, the HESI, and pass in order to graduate. We didn't have any people fail because of it, but previous years did. I think there was too much importance placed on just one test.
  6. by   Sheri257
    Well ... I'm about to take the ATI tomorrow so ...

    I guess I'll sue if I don't like the outcome.

    They curve it, and it counts for the same amount of points as our final exam did so, I guess we don't have much to complain about.

    They are going to switch to HESI though, we're the last class to take the ATI.

    Just going through the ATI practice tests it does seem to stray quite a bit from what we've been taught in my program. We also took HESI just for feedback for the next class and it did seem to be lot closer to our cirriculum.

    :typing
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Dec 3, '06
  7. by   cardiacRN2006
    Quote from dazey71
    I think there was too much importance placed on just one test.
    Uh, our whole career is based on the importance of just one test...
  8. by   Sheri257
    Quote from cardiacRN2006
    Uh, our whole career is based on the importance of just one test...
    Good point.

    :typing
  9. by   Jolie
    After reading the story, I assume that the students knew all along that they had to pass this exam in order to graduate. Even so, I hope they prevail in their appeal.

    Tying graduation to improperly chosen and over-used standardized exams is wrong. These students have maintained "B" averages while successfully completing the clinical and classroom portions of their academic program. The university happily took their tuition money, and the university's staff awarded academic grades that indicate satisfactory mastery of the curriculum.

    The only justification for the use of this "capstone" exam is to prevent students who the university believes are likely to fail NCLEX from being able to sit for the exam. They require this test not as a benefit to their students, but as a means of protecting their own pass rates. Which, if the university has done its job of weeding out unqualified students and properly educating the rest, should be well within the acceptable range regardless of student performance on any preliminary assessment test.
  10. by   pickledpepperRN
    Grading on the curve has nothing to do with passing. If all schools used it like this 50% of those who attended nursing school could not graduate. If 50% got 100% on this test then a 99% would prevent them from graduating, taking boards, and becoming much needed nurses.
    I am glad they are fighting this'

    ...In order for an NVC student to earn an associate degree in nursing, she must achieve a score within the 50th percentile nationally on the ATI -- meaning she must perform as well as or better than half of those who take the test across the country...
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  11. by   BSNtobe2009
    I read that article, and that is the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard of a college doing...what in the world does that test have to do with graduation?

    Give the test at the beginning or don't give it at all!

    I hope those girls take that college to the cleaners.

    I'll tell everyone something funny...I was concerned what would be on the test "TEAS" for admissions, and went to by the simulated test on the ATI website (which is a total ripoff, and doesn't mimic the test at all)...anyway...I originally accidently purchased the mock test that you take when you finish nursing school.

    I was sitting there going through the questions, thinking, "Damn this is hard for an admissions test..." as the questions got RIDICULOUSLY hard. I got to question 34 when I called ATI to find out what the deal was and realized I had bought the wrong one...but the strangest part...is I only missed two of the questions and I've never been to nursing school.

    Evidently, all of the reading I've been doing my entire life with medical journals, etc that were always at my parent's and my 10 year obsession with Discovery Health, I must have picked up something.
    Last edit by BSNtobe2009 on Dec 3, '06
  12. by   KellieNurse06
    We have to do ATI at my college too......they say it doesn't count BUT you have to pass it or you get an incomplete and do not graduate until you pass with with 50% or better on the proctored test or a 90% or better on the non proctored test.....and on the day of testing they want us to bring in a print out of 90% or better just in case.......I wonder why some schools do ATI & some don't??? If it was something that was required I would think every nursing program in the country would have it.....makes me wonder now......Do you think maybe it has to do with funding for the school, and maybe to show they have higher NCLEX pass rates for students to draw more students into their programs???? hmmmmm
  13. by   smk1
    This seems like a legitimate complaint to me.
  14. by   Euphrosyne7
    At our school, we also have ATI testing and must have a rate at the 50th percentile or higher. You have two chances to pass, if not, you fail the class no matter what your grade average is.

    We also have to take the HESI exit exam (which I will be taking tomorrow..yikes), and you also get two chances, but if you fail both times, you have to repeat the class. Right now the passing percentile required for HESI at my school is at the 31st percentile which makes it around 800 or so at least to pass.

    I am curious to see what is going to happen next with these students. I know that at my school, if you fail two classes, you are out of the program, but there was one girl who failed a class and then failed her two HESI tests which = 2 fails, and she was allowed to retake the final class again.

    It seems awful to me that someone will put in all that time and pass all their classes, and then not be able to get a degree because it all ultimately hinges on one last exam that is designed to be a "predictor" of passing NCLEX.

    The other thing I don't understand is why all nursing schools do not all have the same requirements. I know of other schools where they just have to take the ATI, and it is irrelevant to their passing whether they do well or not, and those students seem to pass the NCLEX just fine whether they did well on the ATIs or not.

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