Napa Valley nursing students draw crowd as they protest use of ATI exam - page 15

nvc nursing students draw crowd as they protest mandatory exam napa valley register - napa,ca,usa about 100 napa valley college nursing students filled the college board room thursday night in... Read More

  1. by   Sheri257
    Quote from nursemi
    Never call patients wolves they are patients. I don't advocate the word client either, but I would rather use that, than wolves.
    Man ... you are really out there. It's very obvious that CardiacRN was not calling patients wolves.

    You're not doing yourself any favors with these bizarre, wild accusations.

    Slavery and now wolves ... uh .... ok.

    We are now entering the Twilight Zone. :chuckle

    Last edit by Sheri257 on Dec 14, '06
  2. by   suzyRN
    OK so I also took all the ATI exams, including the predictor test- I graduated with a 4.0 and passed the NCLEX in 75 questions but found the ATI questions were WAY too specific. I think it is awful to use it to weed people out at the end so as to save your pass rate. I think that the school need to focus on curiculum and making sure that they have been weeding out throughout the process not at the end when they have all the tuition and all the hope and expectation to graduate. that is clearly taking advantage. About the whole muck slinging that is going on here- as nurses we need to be kinder to each other. I dont think anyone was calling pt's wolves- most likely when she said "being thrown to the wolves" she meant thrown out there with a bunch of crabby nurses! I think that has been the hardest thing to adjust to. I have never in my life met so many burned out people. If you dont like what you are doing get a new job. As a group we need to overcome the obstacle of being mostly women- and pull together. (my calling our gender an obstacle has to do with our cat claws and catti-ness) No wonder our profession doesnt get the respect it deserves. b/c instead of working together we are just sitting around overreacting and talking about people. We dont always have to agree but we really don't need to be ready to pounce at any moment.
  3. by   Gromit
    Quote from WhimsieRN
    So if the student has successfully completed the course work you advocate allowing them to sit for the NCLEX repeatedly until they get their license?:stone

    If they did so well in class and in clinic, I would like to know why they did not pass this exam. Seems to me if I knew this was coming, I would have prepped my behind off and made sure I passed it.

    Is this just a couple of students crying b/c they have one more test to pass before they can go on?
    I don't know of ANY state that doesn't allow a candidate to retest the NCLEX if they failed it the first time.
    I was an A-b student, and did not pass the NCLEX the first time around -it certainly wasn't because I didn't know the stuff -I busted the test with one question short of the maximum. I retook it and passed with the least questions required (75).

    Was talking to a soon-to-graduate student last night, and found out that the college I graduated from just started using HESI -they don't keep a student from passing because of it. They use it to help the student see where their weaknesses are.
  4. by   nursemi
    Quote from lizz
    Man ... you are really out there. It's very obvious that CardiacRN was not calling patients wolves.

    You're not doing yourself any favors with these bizarre, wild accusations.

    Slavery and now wolves ... uh .... ok.

    We are now entering the Twilight Zone. :chuckle



    Ahhhhhh. See how you guys focused on the word "slavery" in that quote. This quote was used for my critical thinking class. And everyone failed this exam because they focused on the word "slavery" instead of the "rationale of the quote." No matter what sentence its used on, before or after the quote, the true rationale of it is....... it doesn't matter if its only one or two people, as long as you know its wrong you must still speak up, you will than find out you are not alone. This is the kind of crazy things we had to deal with HESI.

    As far as CardiacRNs' idiom, its idioms that is easy to misinterpret. That is why facts are always good to use. I knew she didn't mean to correlate wolves to patients. But if you were in court or in the hallway of the hospial and used that idiom, patients can sue you. Leading yourself to an open door that you did not want to enter. Don't give them any opportunity.

    My friend is an RN who is acertaining her Phd, and she wanted to see the importance of "words." esp. the uses of idioms.

    Sorry, but we had to see if the research is true. So far it is.

    Another thing, I do know that the NVC attorney presented to the school's chancellor, & administrators the students' original nurisng curriculum, handbook, and school catalog and I know that 100% it was not in any of the above books. I did my homework Lizz. We did not have it on any of ours either.

    I also know for a fact, that it wasn't just the two students mentioned in the paper who is filed the lawsuit. Not sure if the legal term for it is a lawsuit or what, but whatever the 20 pages plus of it was, it was not turned into court because the school wanted to settle after seeing the evidence.

    No matter what, if the school really, really cared about the students and not themselves, they should of utilized the exam from the beginning, middle, and end so the students can have a familiarity base. If the students were truly incompetent, the instructors should of failed them a long time ago.

    Its true that colleges can use basically any type of exams but if the school is NLN accrediated NVC would of had to have the ATI correlate with its curriculum through out its program.
    NVC would of have to provide regular feedback to student in a timely indicators of student progress and academic standing and are consistently applied and written and available to students.
    Most colleges who are using the exam are unable to delineate their instructional methods.
    NLN also states that in the course syllabi that document course content and learning experiences should be appropriate for the development of competencies required for graduation.

    I feel as with any problem, nip it the bud before it gets worst. (idiom)Therefore, if their were any problems with these two or other students they could of assisted them in the first and second year. Why wait one month before graduation? In our case, why wait until we completed the program?

    Sorry for the test. Had to do for a friend.
  5. by   morte
    Quote from nursemi


    Ahhhhhh. See how you guys focused on the word "slavery" in that quote. This quote was used for my critical thinking class. And everyone failed this exam because they focused on the word "slavery" instead of the "rationale of the quote." No matter what sentence its used on, before or after the quote, the true rationale of it is....... it doesn't matter if its only one or two people, as long as you know its wrong you must still speak up, you will than find out you are not alone. This is the kind of crazy things we had to deal with HESI.

    As far as CardiacRNs' idiom, its idioms that is easy to misinterpret. That is why facts are always good to use. I knew she didn't mean to correlate wolves to patients. But if you were in court or in the hallway of the hospial and used that idiom, patients can sue you. Leading yourself to an open door that you did not want to enter. Don't give them any opportunity.

    My friend is an RN who is acertaining her Phd, and she wanted to see the importance of "words." esp. the uses of idioms.

    Sorry, but we had to see if the research is true. So far it is.

    Another thing, I do know that the NVC attorney presented to the school's chancellor, & administrators the students' original nurisng curriculum, handbook, and school catalog and I know that 100% it was not in any of the above books. I did my homework Lizz. We did not have it on any of ours either.

    I also know for a fact, that it wasn't just the two students mentioned in the paper who is filed the lawsuit. Not sure if the legal term for it is a lawsuit or what, but whatever the 20 pages plus of it was, it was not turned into court because the school wanted to settle after seeing the evidence.

    No matter what, if the school really, really cared about the students and not themselves, they should of utilized the exam from the beginning, middle, and end so the students can have a familiarity base. If the students were truly incompetent, the instructors should of failed them a long time ago.

    Its true that colleges can use basically any type of exams but if the school is NLN accrediated NVC would of had to have the ATI correlate with its curriculum through out its program.
    NVC would of have to provide regular feedback to student in a timely indicators of student progress and academic standing and are consistently applied and written and available to students.
    Most colleges who are using the exam are unable to delineate their instructional methods.
    NLN also states that in the course syllabi that document course content and learning experiences should be appropriate for the development of competencies required for graduation.

    I feel as with any problem, nip it the bud before it gets worst. (idiom)Therefore, if their were any problems with these two or other students they could of assisted them in the first and second year. Why wait one month before graduation? In our case, why wait until we completed the program?

    Sorry for the test. Had to do for a friend.
    lolololol....since i definetly "got" the first one, and was going hmmmm over the second one (the wolves one) does this mean i should start writing my desertatiion for my PhD?..........i think you may have missed your calling and should go into law or some form of public advocacy.....then again, you will make one he-- of an RN.....and you will get there, if that is what you want
  6. by   Sheri257
    Quote from nursemi
    This is the kind of crazy things we had to deal with HESI.

    Sorry for the test. Had to do for a friend.
    Quite frankly, if this is the way you studied for HESI, I'm not surprized if you didn't pass.

    I took HESI and did very well on it. I don't see how bizarre, pointless exercises of this kind helps with the exam.

    People can threaten to file all of the lawsuits they want, and even if they do file they're not going to win.

    Bottom line: Study for the exit exams with the practice tests. Do what it takes to graduate.

    Everything else ... including threatened lawsuits and all of this meandering whining and nonsense about how unfair it is isn't going to change a thing.

    Studying will.

    :typing
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Dec 15, '06
  7. by   cardiacRN2006
    ‘nurse’mi, I find your posts to be quite funny.
    You have only mentioned being a nurse once before, and that was when I pointed out your TOS violation. Then suddenly you’re a nurse. There are no posts from you talking about what it was like to be a nurse, or about your day on the floor. Your profile lists you only as a nursing student, and you even went so far to say in a post that nursing school left you with ‘nothing’. But now, you’re a nurse. Convenient!
    Quote from nursemi
    BUT.... 90% of us FAILED HESI. Now we CAN NOT take HESI again. We CAN NOT get our nursing degrees. We CAN NOT sit to take the NCLEX RN EXam. WE ARE FINISHED- WE HAVE NOTHING.
    (The caps are you emphasis). So you say you were left with nothing, and that you have no nursing degrees.....but then you say you are a nurse......hmm.

    Let’s pretend that you are a nurse. Was it obtained from the same school that taught you haw to be an RN? Because obviously, that didn’t work out.

    And my quote “being thrown to the wolves”…Did you really think that I was referring to the pts themselves? Did you picture in your head a pack of pts waiting for me? Perhaps if you thought this phrase out a little better instead of being so literal, then you wouldn’t have come across so nave. And to tell me to NEVER call a pt this is pretty ignorant of you.


    You know, if you spent half as much time studying for the HESI as you have defending your point, then you might have passed. Was that humble enough for you dear?

    I’m done with you.
    Last edit by cardiacRN2006 on Dec 15, '06 : Reason: spelling

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