More Hospitals Banning Elective C-Sections - page 7

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  1. Visit  caregiver1977 profile page
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    BTW I don't see how anyone can think a c-section is convienent. Many women don't have much support after having their baby. I can't imagine trying to recover from major abdominal surgery without proper help.
  2. Visit  CompleteUnknown profile page
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    Not attacking anyone here because I'm hearing this in other places too, but to me the idea that it's a woman's 'right' to have a c-section without medical indication is just bizarre. It really is, and I can't understand it.

    For those who think this, can you explain why?
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  3. Visit  Scrubby profile page
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    Quote from CompleteUnknown
    Not attacking anyone here because I'm hearing this in other places too, but to me the idea that it's a woman's 'right' to have a c-section without medical indication is just bizarre. It really is, and I can't understand it.

    For those who think this, can you explain why?
    I've never had children but have recently married and am starting to think about the idea of having a child. I personally would prefer a c-section because I don't want to have to ensure going through labour, the crapping, the epistotomies and feeling completely helpless.

    In Australia you can elect to have a caesarean and to me if this option is available to women I'm going with the easier options thanks! To answer your question I would take this option simply because I can. If it's sooooo bad then it wouldn't be allowed as an elective procedure. I know heaps of people who for whatever reasons (breech, twins, age and by choice) have undergone caesareans and mother and baby have come out with no problems at all. I also believe women should have the right to make informed choices on how they wish to deliver their babies.
  4. Visit  CompleteUnknown profile page
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    Quote from scrubby
    i've never had children but have recently married and am starting to think about the idea of having a child. i personally would prefer a c-section because i don't want to have to ensure going through labour, the crapping, the epistotomies and feeling completely helpless.

    in australia you can elect to have a caesarean and to me if this option is available to women i'm going with the easier options thanks! to answer your question i would take this option simply because i can. if it's sooooo bad then it wouldn't be allowed as an elective procedure. i know heaps of people who for whatever reasons (breech, twins, age and by choice) have undergone caesareans and mother and baby have come out with no problems at all. i also believe women should have the right to make informed choices on how they wish to deliver their babies.
    thanks for replying scrubby, and congratulations on your marriage! i saw your reply yesterday and have been thinking about it since then. it's a difficult topic to write about because, whatever you say, you run the risk of having people get upset and take offence. just to make it clear, i'm only talking about c-section by choice, without medical indication.

    my kids are in their twenties now and two of them (the first and the last) were born in small country hospitals that didn't even have a theatre. i suppose today that would be looked at as highly irresponsible and it was starting to become a bit unusual even then, but it wasn't thought of as dangerous. they were all overdue and induction wasn't considered necessary while there were no problems.

    i didn't have an iv, a cannula, an epidural, continuous monitoring, anything like that. those things were available of course but they weren't used routinely then. i was offered an epidural with the first baby and i was glad it was an option but i felt i could manage without it and by the time i was ready to admit i'd made a huge mistake i was almost fully dilated anyway. my labours were all long and yes there was pain and it was hard work to say the least. it was messy i suppose but so is life and it's hard to explain the feeling of achievement and wonder after giving birth vaginally, i felt like if i could do this, i could do anything.

    i haven't had a c-section so i don't know for sure but wouldn't you be trading mess and pain for mess and pain what with the catheter, the abdominal incision, the iv, the spinal, the infection risk, the difficulty moving around and caring for the baby in the immediate post-op period, and the need for ongoing pain relief?

    from a medical point of view my labours were all pretty routine and no doubt my own experiences colour my opinion. i'm in australia too and i'd agree with you that c-sections are pretty safe. that doesn't mean there are no risks though. it's also true that there are risks with vaginal birth but i worry that people are starting to think that c-section is safer and somehow better.

    i agree with you that women should be able to make informed choices about the way they deliver their babies but i worry that that doesn't extend to vaginal delivery. it's increasingly being seen as the risky option, and if it is to be attempted must be monitored and controlled and managed with the medical staff watching, worrying, wringing their hands and wanting to intervene, convinced that something is about to go wrong at any second.
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  5. Visit  HeartsOpenWide profile page
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    Two thumbs up. Fortunately the only time our doctors order ANY inductiion is for medical reasons only. We often get women induced because they are over 41 wks. C/S are only elective if the woman does not want a VBAC (which we do at my hospital). It's a jump start for Universal Health Care....
  6. Visit  caregiver1977 profile page
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    Quote from Scrubby
    I've never had children but have recently married and am starting to think about the idea of having a child. I personally would prefer a c-section because I don't want to have to ensure going through labour, the crapping, the epistotomies and feeling completely helpless.
    I am not bashing your decision. I've never personally had a c-section, and I think sometimes c-sections are better than vaginal deliveries. My mom was in labor almost 70 hours with my brother and almost 60 hours with my sister. This was 1966 and 1971 respectively. I think she would have done better with c-sections, considering how sick she became after having my brother and sister. I'd just like to ask you about some things you said.

    The crapping--Yes I crapped during labor and pushing on more than one occassion. One time even the OBGYN made an off-color, unnecessary comment about it. Yes it was very embarrassing. But I have also talked to women who have had c-sections who had embarrassing stories to tell about crapping themselves because of the stool softeners they were given to get things moving. I have one unfortunate friend who gave everyone in the operating room a nice smelly surprise while in the midst of her c-section (I didn't know that was possible). She said she was so embarrassed that she cried right there because the doctor couldn't help but cough and gag (so much for those big, spicy meals to jumpstart your labor). If you are recovering from a major abdominal surgery you cannot always rush off to the toilet when needed. I have had friends tell me how things moved even too fast to call for a bedpan. I had another friend tell me a horror story about how "everything" came out while the nurses were trying to help her walk. Personally I have heard just as many c-section pooping/peeing embarrassing stories as I have pooping/peeing labor/delivery stories.

    I've only had one episotomy (sp)-- It actually hurt less than my tailbone did after I couldn't push out my son because we had to wait on my OBGYN to show up. You might want to talk to your OBGYN about this (and of course all of your other concerns. This might not even be necessary.

    Feeling completely helpless--Aren't you going to feel that way if you have a c-section? I hope you would recover well, but at first you will need help even turning over. Some people have some pretty rough recoveries from c-sections. I have one friend that said she didn't completely recover from hers until 6 months later. I have had 5 vaginal deliveries and it came with its set of challenges, but I never felt completely helpless. If anything, I felt completely empowered pushing out my babies (I once surprised my OB because I pushed out my child in three pushes).

    Of course this is just a discussion. Please don't think I am judging you.
  7. Visit  ValDonovan profile page
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    Just to bring us back to the original point, C-Sections for convenience PRIOR to 39 weeks. If you want to have a vaginal, VBAC or C-Section once you reach 39 weeks and beyond, that is your choice.

    The problem come in when people choose to have a C-Section prior to 39 weeks. This is where convenience does not outweigh the risks and complicaitons that can develop due to an early delivery..

    Full term babies are 38-42 weeks gestation. Babies born 36-38 weeks are considered late pre-term. And of course babies born prior to 36 weeks are preterm.

    Why would someone deliberately choose to have a late pre-term baby for their own convenience?? Babies do so much of their important growth in those last few weeks.

    Remember a very important role as nurses is education. I am sure there are some OB pts. that do not realize what the risks can be with a delivery prior to 39 weeks. All we can do is try to educate and then respect the decisions that our patients make.

    In the end don't we all want the same thing??? Healthy babies and mommies??

    Val LPN
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  8. Visit  SJerseygrle profile page
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    I'll tell you my own reason. My third pregnancy was a miserable experience from start to finish. Bed rest, medicine, hypertension, gestational diabetes (beginning in the 1st trimester), complicated migraines (I spent 1-2 hours a day without sight). I had to do a 24 hour urine every week from week 24 onward to monitor my preenclampsia status. As long as I kept it under 500 I could stay out of the hospital but still managed to be hospitalized several times for that and for hypoglycemia. Misery doesn't even begin to touch it.

    At 37 weeks I asked my doctor to give me C-section for my "convienance" because I simply couldn't stand it another second. I realize many people don't want to hear it, think they are stonger, or tougher, or would have done this or that but I didn't want to do it another minute. My daughter was fine, no issues, 8 lb 10 oz, smart as a whip now with no OT or PT problems. It was a non-emergent C-section, I was out of bed several hours afterward and pain free.

    So before that day I had, every day, severe headaches from hypertension, retained cell water from preenclampsia, had episodes even the docs couldnt anticipate or control of hypoglycemia, was blind for hours every day, and experienced constant pain, discomfort, & fatigue. 6 hours later I was pain free (I only took ibuprofen and benedryl), no headache, no diabetes, a disproportionate amount of weight lighter,and slightly fatigued with mild discomfort. In my book, that is much more than conveinance.
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  9. Visit  CrazierThanYou profile page
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    Quote from SJerseygrle
    I'll tell you my own reason. My third pregnancy was a miserable experience from start to finish. Bed rest, medicine, hypertension, gestational diabetes (beginning in the 1st trimester), complicated migraines (I spent 1-2 hours a day without sight). I had to do a 24 hour urine every week from week 24 onward to monitor my preenclampsia status. As long as I kept it under 500 I could stay out of the hospital but still managed to be hospitalized several times for that and for hypoglycemia. Misery doesn't even begin to touch it.

    At 37 weeks I asked my doctor to give me C-section for my "convienance" because I simply couldn't stand it another second. I realize many people don't want to hear it, think they are stonger, or tougher, or would have done this or that but I didn't want to do it another minute. My daughter was fine, no issues, 8 lb 10 oz, smart as a whip now with no OT or PT problems. It was a non-emergent C-section, I was out of bed several hours afterward and pain free.

    So before that day I had, every day, severe headaches from hypertension, retained cell water from preenclampsia, had episodes even the docs couldnt anticipate or control of hypoglycemia, was blind for hours every day, and experienced constant pain, discomfort, & fatigue. 6 hours later I was pain free (I only took ibuprofen and benedryl), no headache, no diabetes, a disproportionate amount of weight lighter,and slightly fatigued with mild discomfort. In my book, that is much more than conveinance.
    I'm not judging you or attacking you but couldn't you have also gotten relief from a vaginal birth?
  10. Visit  morte profile page
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    Quote from CrazierThanYou
    I'm not judging you or attacking you but couldn't you have also gotten relief from a vaginal birth?
    I am not an OB nurse, but i am thinking avoiding labor to decrease pressure was half the point?
  11. Visit  caregiver1977 profile page
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    Quote from SJerseygrle
    I'll tell you my own reason. My third pregnancy was a miserable experience from start to finish. Bed rest, medicine, hypertension, gestational diabetes (beginning in the 1st trimester), complicated migraines (I spent 1-2 hours a day without sight). I had to do a 24 hour urine every week from week 24 onward to monitor my preenclampsia status. As long as I kept it under 500 I could stay out of the hospital but still managed to be hospitalized several times for that and for hypoglycemia. Misery doesn't even begin to touch it.

    At 37 weeks I asked my doctor to give me C-section for my "convienance" because I simply couldn't stand it another second. I realize many people don't want to hear it, think they are stonger, or tougher, or would have done this or that but I didn't want to do it another minute. My daughter was fine, no issues, 8 lb 10 oz, smart as a whip now with no OT or PT problems. It was a non-emergent C-section, I was out of bed several hours afterward and pain free.

    So before that day I had, every day, severe headaches from hypertension, retained cell water from preenclampsia, had episodes even the docs couldnt anticipate or control of hypoglycemia, was blind for hours every day, and experienced constant pain, discomfort, & fatigue. 6 hours later I was pain free (I only took ibuprofen and benedryl), no headache, no diabetes, a disproportionate amount of weight lighter,and slightly fatigued with mild discomfort. In my book, that is much more than conveinance.
    I agree with your decision to have a c-section in this case (not that you need my approval). It seems as though it was the best thing for your health. I don't think it was just an elective one for your own whim. The c-section was the best thing for your health. Just curious, did you have anymore children after this?

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