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No. 30
Old Sep 28, 2009, 03:39 PM

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I am allergic to the flu vaccine. I took one last year for the first time, first year as a nurse during flu season, and reacted with hives all over my body. I am not allergic to eggs, but am certain that the flu vaccine is what I reacted to as it was the only thing out of the ordinary at that time. Now, as of Oct 15 I have to either get the flu vaccine or wear a mask as punishment for 3 months. The CDC has recommended wearing N-95 if you are caring for a known or suspected flu pt., but not otherwise. I resent the fact that I am being punished with non-evidence based practice due to an allergy. I also will refuse to tell pts. why I am wearing a mask as my allergies are none of their business. What will happen when they refuse to have me as a nurse because they believe I am ill? My manager certainly will not be allowed to tell them why because HIPPA applies to me as well. The facillity that i work for is madateing that we wear the mask all shift, not just when in direct contact with pts. We can only take it off to eat. don't get me started on the contradiction there. I can infect all my coworkers, but only when I am eating? They will not make us change masks from pt. to pt. either. which in my opinion makes the mask more than useless. This is not about pt. safety. This about punishing employees who are not willing to do what the facillity tells them to. What is next?
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No. 31
Old Sep 28, 2009, 04:24 PM

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I am sorry, I have no problem getting a flu shot, but I am going to have a problem getting a mandatory N1H1 vaccination that was JUST invented..."oh I have a great idea, lets make all the nurses be Guinea Pigs on this new vaccine; see how it works!'
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No. 32
from brighella
Old Sep 28, 2009, 05:25 PM

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I was mandated to get the flu shot last year though Governor's order. It was technically optional, but if we opted out we would not be allowed to provide any patient care, which would essentially eliminate the possibility of graduation. That doesn't sound so optional to me... I did it, but didn't like it. It is possible to have a mandate to get a flu shot in the US. If you want to keep your job, you gotta get the shot.
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No. 33
Old Sep 28, 2009, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cjmjmom View Post
Citizens in this country should be able to CHOOSE if they want any additive put in their body or not, not mandated! This is the United States of America not a dictatorship. Last I knew health care workers were citizens and have the same rights as other people who live in this country.
Various laws and Executive Orders have seriously, severely destroyed our Republic. Read the text of the Patriot Acts for some beginning understanding of all the rights that we have lost. Our nation is in grave danger. Now is the time for all good men and women to come to her aid. The current economic crisis is all part of the program for international bankers to take over America.

We are very far down the road to Fascism and Socialism. View on youtube The Obama Deception for starters.
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No. 34
Old Sep 28, 2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by brighella View Post
I was mandated to get the flu shot last year though Governor's order. It was technically optional, but if we opted out we would not be allowed to provide any patient care, which would essentially eliminate the possibility of graduation. That doesn't sound so optional to me... I did it, but didn't like it. It is possible to have a mandate to get a flu shot in the US. If you want to keep your job, you gotta get the shot.
And that is the barrel over which most of us are bent. Of course, if enough of us stand up TOGETHER against it, the outcome could be different.
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No. 35
Old Sep 28, 2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by babydoll99_99 View Post
I am allergic to the flu vaccine. I took one last year for the first time, first year as a nurse during flu season, and reacted with hives all over my body. I am not allergic to eggs, but am certain that the flu vaccine is what I reacted to as it was the only thing out of the ordinary at that time. Now, as of Oct 15 I have to either get the flu vaccine or wear a mask as punishment for 3 months. The CDC has recommended wearing N-95 if you are caring for a known or suspected flu pt., but not otherwise. I resent the fact that I am being punished with non-evidence based practice due to an allergy. I also will refuse to tell pts. why I am wearing a mask as my allergies are none of their business. What will happen when they refuse to have me as a nurse because they believe I am ill? My manager certainly will not be allowed to tell them why because HIPPA applies to me as well. The facillity that i work for is madateing that we wear the mask all shift, not just when in direct contact with pts. We can only take it off to eat. don't get me started on the contradiction there. I can infect all my coworkers, but only when I am eating? They will not make us change masks from pt. to pt. either. which in my opinion makes the mask more than useless. This is not about pt. safety. This about punishing employees who are not willing to do what the facillity tells them to. What is next?
Indeed. What is next? youtube The Obama Deception
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No. 36
Old Sep 28, 2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurse1966 View Post
So, if we can be mandated to get a flu shot (seasonal or H1N1) and punished by having to wear PPE all flu season or quit our job, why can't we mandate that visitor's also wear PPE? Seriously, even with contact isolation, visitor's aren't forced to wear PPE or even wash their hands! Seems to me they're endangering us, and administration doesn't back us up when we try to enforce precautions. The whole arguement of "protect the community" for making us get the shot is hypocritical in my eyes. How about making visitor's wear masks and wash their hands? Especially before going into the cafeteria or elevators! Oh, I know why...wouldn't want the Press Ganey scores to drop!
You should consider taking this to the press and to the public health officials, too.

Keep in mind the bigger agenda.

Pharmaceutical companies make money from their vaccines. If someone sues for injuries, that's part of the cost of doing business and who knows - their judge buddies might side with them and give them every edge against injured parties.

Americans allow themselves to be bulldozed, because of the economic necessity of earning a living. We say we have to knuckle under so we can continue to pay our bills. But unless we stand up, unless we risk it all, as the fighters of the Revolution did, we are allowing America to be taken over more and more by those who do not love her, whose only interest is power.
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No. 37
from Manurse715
Old Sep 29, 2009, 12:17 AM

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I have never had the flu. I have never had a flu shot. I will never get it unless I choose to. If getting a flu shot becomes mandatory it will be a very overt contradictory paradox in the pro-life/pro-choice conversation.
How many people have died from H2N1? Compare that to how many teenagers died in MVA's in the last 10 minutes. We really must reconsider logic and its application before jumping headlong into a media provided fear frenzy.
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No. 38
from Moogie
Old Sep 29, 2009, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nurse2009 View Post
Here is a question for everyone. Have you ever had a child die of the flu or known or cared for a child with the flu who has died...it is heart retching to say the least. I have! I rather risk the side effect than have another child die from the flu and Im not talking about kids that are high risk with respitory or any other complication that can suppress the immune system. I'm talking about the healthy child that one day is fine and a few days are dead from the flu. It happens and it happens way to much.
I'm very passionate about this because I never want to go through the loss of loosing a health child again because they got the flu.
Tricia RN
Oh, Tricia, I am so sorry. It truly sounds like you have had at least one horrible experience. I lost my grandmother to complications of the flu in 1994. Watching her die seemed senseless; while she was frail and had a few short-term memory issues, she as otherwise in good health for her age. When she got sick she ended up in an ICU, tubes going in and going out. She was never ventilated and died naturally during her hospitalization. Since then I have tried to make sure that everyone in the family gets vaccinated.
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No. 39
Old Sep 29, 2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by UserG View Post
Facilities I've worked at have policies for visitor requirements for MRSA, TB, and C.diff. And visitors don't complain.
But the point of the flu vaccinations is not just for your personal health. It is for the good of your patients. I'm in the profession to help people get better, not expose them to new problems. Vaccines should never be mandatory. This is America! But if you are willing to make your patients worse, why are you a nurse in the first place?
No one wants to make their patients worse unless they (the workers) are mentally ill. See how expertly these evildoers are? How skilled at getting us to do their bidding? Guilt and economics. Seems to work just about every time.

Being a nurse does not mean giving up all rights. What if they told you you had to change your religion to keep your job? Or contribute to their favorite charities (I was told on one job that if I did not contribute to United Way that I was not going to be able to get ahead. I did not contribute, will never do so because of them telling me that. I sweat blood for my pay and will be charitable to whom I choose, not to whom some boss tells me I "have to".)

Another example: Jews were forced to become Christians or die in Spain and probably many other countries a few hundred ago. Do you think that or something similar could never happen to you or happen in America? Please wake up and see what is happening in our country.

Not wanting to put some foreign matter into your body is not "willing to make our patients worse". It is standing up for what an individual nurse believes. Anyway, don't forget the "herd immunity" view. Maybe your patients are already vaxed.

What if your employer tried to force you to swear an oath to do, believe, or say something you really genuinely objected to? What if they said you have to send your kids to a certain school? Or believe in a certain political view?

Slippery slope. Where does it have the potential to lead? Oh, it's just a little shot. Well, Hitler started small, too. And Castro promised an open election and no confiscation of private land, for instance. History speaks about these gents more eloquently than I could.
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