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No. 10
from nurse2009
Old Sep 27, 2009, 09:47 AM

Medical Re: "Mandatory Flu Shots Hit Resistance"
Originally Posted by krazykev View Post
The day that I am required to get a mandatory Flu Shot from my employer is the day that I find another employer. No person, or place is going to tell me what to put in my body. If I wanted to give up my choices, I would have joined the military.
So what do you do about your hep vaccine or the other vaccine that are manditory for health care workers?
Im not asking to be snooty or anything Im curious.
I work for a couple of companys that all we do is wellness clinics and flu vaccines. I just finished a flu clinic for a corporation were me and a few other nurses gave out over 3000 vaccines this last week with no ill effects.
If you question a vaccite do the research on the studies of that vaccine. Thats what I do. I know in the area were I live there are two pharmaceutical company's that are producing the H1N1 vaccine and have done the studies and test on the vaccine. I'm very happy about the outcomes I have read. The H1N1 vaccine is produced like any other flu vaccine that is put out there every year. Do you think they have spent a lot of time testing your yearly flu vaccine before it comes out every year?... I believe that the H1N1 vaccine has been tested and re tested more than any seasonal flu vaccine. I also want to let you know just like any other season flu vaccine that you will have company's making different formulas like the thermasol free and those that are designed for the younger individuals. they also will have the nasal formula that is a live virus versus the injection that is a dead virus.
knowleadge is power do your research you might find that all this negative talk and publicity is just a bunch of hipe.
Back in the 70's when there was a swine flu outbreak and they made individuals receive a vaccine things were a lot different. The formulas were not perfected and that is why there were a lot of side effects.
Just a few years ago you would get sick or maybe a mild cold from your flu vaccine because it was a live virus. It is not a live virus unless you get the nasal mist.
Hope this info helps.
Tricia RN
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No. 11
from K.P.A.
Old Sep 27, 2009, 09:54 AM

Default Re: "Mandatory Flu Shots Hit Resistance"
Questions...

Is it OK for people tobe walking around with infectious diseases?
Does it depend on the disease?
Polio? TB? HIV? Syphilis? Hansen? Smallpox? Plague? H1N1?

Should an employer have the right to require employees to take measures which will limit harm to his customers as a condition of employment?

Should he be required to? (think restaurant workers and hepatitis or sex workers in Nevada and HIV)

your friend,

-katz
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No. 12
from deege58
Old Sep 27, 2009, 10:21 AM

Default Re: "Mandatory Flu Shots Hit Resistance"
Originally Posted by dannyc12 View Post
Again, we happily get mandatory hepatitis and other vaccines, but because of recent hysteria over vaccines and health care reform, suddenly getting a flu shot when there is a particularly nasty strain out and about is a bad idea.

The efficacy of flu (and other) vaccines has a massive trail of evidence and data supporting it. There are plenty of good, sound, evidence based reasons to mandate this vaccination.
You are incorrect on several points;
1-We have no mandatory vaccines in nursing- suggested, but we can decline.
2- What "hysteria" might you be referring to? Are you referring to concerns over Autism? And what has this got to do with healthcare reform?
3-H1N1, is no more nasty than any other Flu to the average, healthy population, there is a portion of the population that is more at risk for more serious complications, such as pregnant women.

Can you please site your references for the "good sound evidence" I would like to read them.
I recently heard an infectious disease physcian state that he would not take that immunization, nor will he be giving it to his children. He stated, he believed the vaccine to be far more dangerous than the H1N1 flu. It has been "fast tracked" and is filled with potentially dangerous adjuncts, such as thimerisol. it has not received adequate testing. So, yes, i would love to read your evidence.
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No. 13
from nurse2009
Old Sep 27, 2009, 10:49 AM

Medical Re: "Mandatory Flu Shots Hit Resistance"
Originally Posted by deege58 View Post
You are incorrect on several points;
1-We have no mandatory vaccines in nursing- suggested, but we can decline.
2- What "hysteria" might you be referring to? Are you referring to concerns over Autism? And what has this got to do with healthcare reform?
3-H1N1, is no more nasty than any other Flu to the average, healthy population, there is a portion of the population that is more at risk for more serious complications, such as pregnant women.

Can you please site your references for the "good sound evidence" I would like to read them.
I recently heard an infectious disease physcian state that he would not take that immunization, nor will he be giving it to his children. He stated, he believed the vaccine to be far more dangerous than the H1N1 flu. It has been "fast tracked" and is filled with potentially dangerous adjuncts, such as thimerisol. it has not received adequate testing. So, yes, i would love to read your evidence.
I heard the same physician state the same info on fox news about not taking it or giving it to his children. I have problems to with giving the thirmerisol vaccine to pregnant woman but I was very upset to hear a physician say that because I think he has not kept up with the info coming out daily very frustrating. or maybe he wanted his 15 minutes of fame. .
There is no evidence that thimerosal (used as a preservative in vaccine packaged in multi-dose vials) is harmful to a pregnant woman or a fetus. However, because some women are concerned about exposure to preservatives during pregnancy, manufacturers will produce preservative-free seasonal and 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines in single dose syringes for pregnant women and small children. CDC recommends that pregnant women may receive influenza vaccine with or without thimerosal. you can find the answer to any of these question on the cdc website. http://www.cdc.gov/H1N1flu/vaccination/pregnant_qa.htm
Tricia RN
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No. 14
from MandaTaye
Old Sep 27, 2009, 01:09 PM

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Very interesting debate. I do not believe that we should be made to take a particular vaccine. It is our choice what goes into our bodies. If your employer mandates that you must receive the vaccine and you are opposed to it for various reasons then you can just decline...or find a way out of it. I believe my mother told me about one woman at her workplace refusing due to an egg allergy. Don't quote me on this though. Not sure if there are any egg components in the vaccine or not. haha. Regardless if you refuse you must wear the isolation gear...and I don't see many people choosing that option.

I'm still in school so I am not a nurse. I wonder about the liability issues here though. What if they forced their employees to receive flu shots and someone died as a result of receiving the flu shot? Perhaps they actually contracted the flu and died from it... Would the employer be the responsible party? If it was a family member who died as a result of receiving this injection, would their survivors be able to sue? I know the chances of this are very slim...but if all these employers start enforcing it around the nation I'm sure there will be at least one case of it. ...Just throwing hypotheticals out there.

In my area they have also imposed visitation restrictions in NICU and similar intensive care settings. Minors are not allowed to visit at all. You must be 18 years old to go to these areas of the hospital unless you are a patient yourself.

If I was pregnant I don't believe I would take any vaccine, but that's just me.

Just wondering what you guys thought about this.
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No. 15
from psalm
Old Sep 27, 2009, 01:23 PM

Default Re: "Mandatory Flu Shots Hit Resistance"
Originally Posted by CraigB-RN View Post
You might want to do a little more research before you make a No-No post.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/masks.htm
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/con...ep0309iom.html

The thing to remember though is that the N95 only works to protect the person wearing it, it doesn't protect us from the person spreading the organism whether it's H1No or TB.


I am talking about a health-care setting. I looked up the sites you provided and do not see anything contradicting what I posted...Craig could you be more specific? I am getting over a flu-like illness and don't have the energy to slow-read it all (ironic, huh)?
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No. 16
Old Sep 27, 2009, 01:32 PM

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I'm always cautious of "there is no evidence..." statements.

A majority of our scientific studies are profit driven, and corporate/privately funded. I have too many friends doing doctoral studies in the UC system saying their research is totally corrupted by binding contracts that restrict their ability to report findings that could potentially disrupt getting "products" to the market (w/ the UC system in such financial distress, they are turning more and more to private funding. Those who fund your research basically own you) It's unfortunate. Additionally, the funding for studies that won't bring in money is drying up. Science is increasingly becoming all about "the bottom line" just like our education system, our healthcare system, or government systems....

Additionally, the scientific process can then take 10,20, 30 years to "prove" anything as harmful. Even then, there's nothing definitive and there's always a contradicting study somewhere.

I wasn't vaccinated as a child, never had a flu shot. I enjoy fantastic health. When I travelled abroad to places like Africa and India, I definately got vaccines for yellow fever, and hepatitis etc. This made sense to me.

I wish I wasn't loosing faith in the scientific process, but until it's actually a mode of intellectual inquiry rather than a process for generating revenue, I'm taking it all with a grain of salt.
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No. 17
Old Sep 27, 2009, 02:47 PM

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Last year the Massachusetts DPH made it mandatory for ALL people working in long term care to get a flu shot. There was such an uproar they backed off. I've spoken to many highly intelligent, knowledgeable people and most of them are wary of the H1N1 vaccine. I'll be providing it to my staff but no one will be mandated to receive it.
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No. 18
from psalm
Old Sep 27, 2009, 03:21 PM

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Have any of you read Lab 257 about Plum Island?

My main concern with reusing N95 respirators is the touching of them for putting on & taking off. We have the stuff on our hands/fingers now, or hanging around our necks if we don't store them somewhere (outside the pt. room on a rail, how clean is that?).
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No. 19
from nurse2009
Old Sep 27, 2009, 04:01 PM

Alert Re: "Mandatory Flu Shots Hit Resistance"
Originally Posted by CapeCodMermaid View Post
Last year the Massachusetts DPH made it mandatory for ALL people working in long term care to get a flu shot. There was such an uproar they backed off. I've spoken to many highly intelligent, knowledgeable people and most of them are wary of the H1N1 vaccine. I'll be providing it to my staff but no one will be mandated to receive it.
I believe that all vaccines should not be mandatory to anyone...we live in a country that still allows us to have choices. But if you are risking someone's life by working around that person possible being sick, don't you think it would be smart to get the vaccine? How many times as a nurse do they frown on you because you call into work for the sniffles or maybe a low grade fever. We are taught in school to work through the pain and come in even when we are sick. it is sad but true. Help your patients and family and think about getting your flu vaccine this year. I want to know that if my family has to go to the doctors or hospital or anywhere else, that I don't have to worry about the person who is caring for my family. I don't wont to worry about that person making them sick because they are not properly immune from diseases that may be going around. I believe I am a knowledgeable, intelligent person that has done my research because of where I work and what I do. I will get the vaccine and do the same for my kids. Here is a question for everyone. Have you ever had a child die of the flu or known or cared for a child with the flu who has died...it is heart retching to say the least. I have! I rather risk the side effect than have another child die from the flu and Im not talking about kids that are high risk with respitory or any other complication that can suppress the immune system. I'm talking about the healthy child that one day is fine and a few days are dead from the flu. It happens and it happens way to much.
I'm very passionate about this because I never want to go through the loss of loosing a health child again because they got the flu.
Tricia RN
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