Man brings 3 guns into ER - page 2

Cops found the first 2....then found the 3rd 2 hours later. Now, what I want to know many of us who work in hospitals IMMEDIATELY thought of specific people when they watched this video? ... Read More

  1. by   reddirt
    the punchline, for those that don't watch the video, is that the pt who was initially dropped of by his mom to have an "unexplained head" wound checkd out, was killed.
    In dealing w/ the 3rd gun, one shot was discharged by a police officer.
  2. by   Sirisiri
    This happened in WA state, I work close to that hospital, its scary and that could be anyone out there.....
  3. by   twinkletoes53
    Quote from daisydoll
    I have always wondered why security isn't tighter in ER's. There should be metal detectors and inspection by a security officer before you are allowed in.
    I work at a Children's Hospital, and our ER has a metal detector that everyone passes through to get in, as well as armed Security at the door; always one and sometimes 2 officers. We treat juvenile prisoners. They are always hand-cuffed/ shackles on feet, and escorted by 2 police officers. Since we treat teenagers, we've had gang members come in with stab or gunshot wounds. We've had family members threaten to kill staff members who've worked on their loved ones if they die. We treat burn victims of all ages. Our hospital doesn't take any chances.
  4. by   WalkieTalkie
    We have a metal detector manned by an off-duty officer, and security is supposed to "wand" any patients brought in by squad. Well that was fine and dandy but our security officers have become psych baby sitters... they are too busy doing "psych watch" on violent mentally ill patients who are trapped in the ER for days at time since there are no psych beds available in this city most of the time.

    Yeah, and why can't hospital security guards carry weapons? Sorry, but that crappy baton you have isn't going to do anything if someone comes in wielding a gun. Jeeze, you'd think they'd at least get a Taser... then again, if you actually saw 75% of our security guards, you'd think that the requirements for the job are 1) have a BMI of 30+, 2) be near or over average retirement age, 3) have a physical ailment which would impede you from stopping a bad guy... seriously.

    Oh, and we have found guns after the fact. One guy even got admitted before the floor nurses found a 9mm in his pants. This was before the metal detector, but still...
  5. by   flightnurse2b
    we have metal detectors in our ER.... but i often don't think our security is tight enough.

    we have alot of gang activity in our area and everytime a gunshot wound, stabbing or other crime comes in, the hospital goes on lockdown until the area has been cleared by the police.

    i have often thought of what i would do if there was a shooter up on the floor and where i would hide. scary times we live in.
  6. by   rjflyn
    Quote from ghillbert
    Please don't put words in my mouth.

    But yes, if a crazy fellow didn't have easy access to a gun, he would have to work harder to kill people.
    He may not have "easy access" but with theft and crime ineffectively punished it only take mins to find on on the street. Just like that pt you are caring for could probably get narcs faster than you going to Walgreens.

    Having been in a few ER's the vary from NO security to police presence. Metal detectors to walk right in and up to any location in the department. Dependent on the place could do just as much damage with baseball bat if not more vs a firearm.
  7. by   Optimism
    I Think there is no more security ..
    where is police ..
    wat's happen ?!

  8. by   jeckrn
    What a suprise, a person carrying a weapon into the ED. I have worked in rural ED's where people pack pistols & knifes all the time and are not found until they are undressed. To them it is like just putting on their socks & underware in the morning.

    Have to agree, ED's need to be locked down so people can not get in as they please. This does 2 things- 1st keeps people out who we do not want back in the ED. 2nd keeps family members from going back and forth from the patients room & waiting room.
  9. by   ejilink
    Only god will help us.
  10. by   Sleepless In Canada
    Maybe a stupid question but why doesn't some of the staff carry concealed??
  11. by   diane227
    I started working at Ben Taub Hospital in Houston in '81 or '82 and worked there off and on for years in the ED. We had a number of shootings in the ED while I was there. We finally got metal detectors at all the entrances and it was a big help to keep down the violence in the ED. We got a new CEO and he felt that it was bad for our image to have them so they got rid of them. Well, do you think it would be bad for our image if a patient got shot? or a staff member? ED's are open, dangerous places and you never know what is walking through the doors and what mood they are going to be in when they arrive. I think back on some of the stuff we pulled off people when we were undressing them and I can only say that I am glad that I never met that person on a dark street or in an alley somewhere. I had one guy standing at the end of the triage desk one night threatening to shoot me. He stick his hand inside his jacket to pull out his pistol but fortunately he had left it in his car. The cops took him away. I was not scared, I was mad. Man, that place really made me over cautious. I don't trust anyone.
  12. by   nurse12b
    Quote from ghillbert
    Where's the surprise? Would be smarter to quit letting Tom, Dick and Harry carry guns instead of locking down the ERs...
    Well its obviouse that he had bad intentions. But not letting "Tom, Dick and Harry" carry guns has nothing to do with this situation. EVERYONE has the right to carry a gun according to the 2nd amendment. Just because some people do bad things with them does not mean that everyone should give them up. Cops shoot people wrongfully, military shoot people wrongfully should we take guns away form them, No, of course not. Yes, it is very scary when guns end up in the wrong hands. However, they are also a source of protection.
  13. by   CeilingCat
    I listened to the video clip. The patient didn't hurt anyone. There were others on the floor with guns (the police). Still bullets flew and this one patient died. Is the answer really to add more guns to the mix?

    Should it become a nurse's job to also act as security? And if you're one of those who is bringing a gun in, are you liable if a patient grabs it while you're working on him? What if he shoots someone with your gun? Or what if you're forced to shoot at him if he threatens you?

    Metal detectors aren't the answer. You'd need to put them at every entrance and man them. This is especially true in city hospitals where budgets are so tight there aren't enough nurses or doctors -- so can we afford to mandate security guards at every entrance? Wouldn't we save more lives overall by relieving the shortage of medical staff?

    And if you mandate metal detectors & security checks, what of urgent cases? Or do you let someone who appears to be having a heart attack wait outside until a busy security guard can get around to running the wand over him and carefully removes every key, bottlecap, cellphone, and coin from his body?

    What about the first responders? Shouldn't the ambulance be allowed to wait with doors locked until police first show up and run a wand over everyone present? If not, when the patient comes in via ambulance, at what point do you force him to get off the board so you can run the wand over his whole body? Is the medic's job to also search him en route to hospital?

    The bigger picture is that a nurse's job is not 100% risk free. And if you look at the stats, I think you'll find you're far more likely on the job to be assaulted, sexually harassed, suffer a workplace injury, be exposed to an infectious disease or harmful chemical, or have your career damaged by false accusations by the occasional crazy. I try to focus on what is likely to happen.