Lay midwife - baby's death - page 6

If the couple had insisted on using a certified nurse midwife, this would not have happened: A midwife present during the delivery of a newborn who died in a Town of Vernon home last month is... Read More

  1. by   Q.
    Quote from momx3boys1girl
    Both of these women were very exprienced birth attendants.

    Perhaps they were. But the thing is that midwives generally see low-risk patients, so their experience with true emergencies is always going to be less than those practitioners who deal with these types of patients regularly.
  2. by   dhall4
    Quote from Q.
    And you know this how exactly?
    Good question ~ how exactly do you know them to be true statements?? In this particular newspaper I take everything I read w/ a grain of salt...and I am not the only one in my area who thinks this way.....
  3. by   momx3boys1girl
    Quote from Q.
    And you know this how exactly?
    I know the people involved.
  4. by   Q.
    Quote from dhall4
    Good question ~ how exactly do you know them to be true statements??
    I don't, but then we could go round and round and essentially not debate this at all because how do we even know there was a couple, a birth even, or that the whole story in its entirity isn't fabricated?

    I can only debate what I know and I'm assuming those statements were taken from other individuals at the scene. Until I hear otherwise, my judgements will be based on those. And even if those statements were slightly exaggerated, at their basic level the statements still suggest that a baby died because of someone's professional/ethical irresponsibility, or pride, or both.
  5. by   geekgolightly
    Quote from bethin
    I'm not trying to attack those that are advocates of BF but I do have a comment. When my sister-in-law gave birth to twin girls a month early(babies ok, just small) the nurses made her feel like a horrible mother for not being able to BF. First off, the babies were early and just couldn't grasp the concept. Also, she wasn't producing enough milk by a long shot. I was actually in the room while the nurse was ripping into my SIL. I couldn't believe it. My SIL tried for weeks at home to BF but she just could not produce enough milk for 2 babies. When that was mentioned to the nurse, her response was "a mother makes enough milk for her babies--no matter how many." I find this callous. I remember my SIL crying for weeks because of this nurse's comments. I wonder what they'll say when I have a baby--I had a breast reduction and my odds of being able to BF are small.

    I think BF is great IF the mother and baby are able to but I don't feel that we need to attack those that are not able to.

    Please tell me this is not the norm.
    actually the nurses made me feel horrible for wanting to breastfeed when i had a preemie.

    i was in a terrible state for six weeks trying to get him to latch because i let them bully me.
  6. by   momx3boys1girl
    Quote from Q.
    I don't, but then we could go round and round and essentially not debate this at all because how do we even know there was a couple, a birth even, or that the whole story in its entirity isn't fabricated?

    I can only debate what I know and I'm assuming those statements were taken from other individuals at the scene. Until I hear otherwise, my judgements will be based on those. And even if those statements were slightly exaggerated, at their basic level the statements still suggest that a baby died because of someone's professional/ethical irresponsibility, or pride, or both.
    Well maybe if you would listen to people who are close to this situation you would hear otherwise. The reporter had no knowledge of birth and called around trying to get informaiton from all of the birth attendants in the area.
    If you know one thing about birth you would know that it is not possible to cut 6 episitomies. Look at your own perinium, where would you cut 6 times? If you choose to take the attitude that some reporter is giving you the facts then so be it. I can tell you that they are wrong! This mom says herself that the midiwfe did not keep her from going to the hospital. So who ya gonna believe the mother or the male reporter? Exactly what area of nursing do you work in? Are you a L&D nurse?
  7. by   Q.
    Quote from momx3boys1girl
    Well maybe if you would listen to people who are close to this situation you would hear otherwise. The reporter had no knowledge of birth and called around trying to get informaiton from all of the birth attendants in the area.
    If you know one thing about birth you would know that it is not possible to cut 6 episitomies. Look at your own perinium, where would you cut 6 times? If you choose to take the attitude that some reporter is giving you the facts then so be it. I can tell you that they are wrong! This mom says herself that the midiwfe did not keep her from going to the hospital. So who ya gonna believe the mother or the male reporter? Exactly what area of nursing do you work in? Are you a L&D nurse?
    So I shouldn't listen to a newspaper, but I should take the word of an on-line internet BB user such as yourself, who signed up to this site the very day that this thread was posted? How is that any different?

    My area of nursing is irrelevant to this discussion, but I am a former L&D nurse who now works in nursing education. I have only worked L&D and that is all I know clinically.

    As for the epis, I can fathom someone attempting an epis 6 times, especially if they were tentative or hesitant (if they were unskilled or knew they were operating outside their scope). And I've seen what we call a "vaginal c-section" an epis cut so wide and so many different ways to get that baby out. That is what I envision this midwife doing to get an entrapped baby out.

    And it doesn't really matter who didn't want to go to the hospital. The mother ignored any advice given to her and put her baby at risk. Fergus said it right when this mother decided to risk her child for her own gains of a home birth, despite the warnings.
    Last edit by Q. on Dec 15, '05
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