Kennedy suing Nurses - page 4

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Douglas Kennedy sues Northern Westchester Hospital, nurses in newborn incident Less than two months after being acquitted on charges of endangering his 2-day-old son and harassing nurses who attempted to stop him from taking... Read More


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    I understand that a hospital may have rules or policies to prevent a kidnapping. Unless it is a crime to leave with your baby I don't really think it compares to charging through airport security (which is a criminal offence). My point is that it doesn't seem to me (with the information available to me) that the baby was placed in danger when the father attempted to leave with him. I'd be more concerned that the infant would be harmed in the ensuing scuffle when no doubt well-intentioned staff tried to prevent the father from leaving.

    I admit, I don't have much knowledge of the inner workings of an American maternity ward (I'm Swedish). In Sweden we don't have nurseries. The baby rooms in with the mother (unless the baby is in the NICU) and the hospital room also has a sofa bed for the father or partner. So the baby is always with his or her parent/s. The parents are free to move around with there baby whereever they please, they just inform staff (as a courtesy) if they go to the cafeteria or whatnot. So different worlds which perhaps is why I'm having a hard time understanding this incident.

    Bottom line though, the baby's safety is paramount and to me it makes more sense to let a parent (in good standing) leave with the child rather than wrestling with said parent carrying the baby.

    I'm not bashing the nurses. I'm convinced that they reacted the way they did out of concern for the baby and also I assume, because they felt that they had to uphold policy? Perhaps fear of possible liability also affected the way they handled the situation? I don't know, I guess I'm asking you guys


    Edit: This post was in response to #27 CDEWannaBe, I failed to quote his/her post.
    Last edit by macawake on Jan 10, '13 : Reason: butterfingers
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    Unfortunately..... it is so different here in the US. With infant abductions and the US being such a litigious society.... the parent are free to go anywhere with the infant...in the hospital on the maternity floor. Many facilities have ankle bracelets that will set off alarms if someone attempts to leave the area with the infant.

    Your point of view is perfectly understandable.....not being from the US. sadly it is not that way here.

    If you asked a father in your maternity area to retun to the room as it was policy that they could not remove the infant from the floor and they said I don't care I'm leaving anyway...my baby needs fresh air and it's a blizzard and they shove past you to escape down the back staris as the ward alarms are going off....does that sound like a reasonable response from a rational adult? and then start kicking the staff hard enough to toss them into a hallway while you are holding the infant becasue you think the infant needs fresh air.....the response to the situation on the parents behalf is irrational highlighting the nurse senses that something is amiss.

    He still should not have attacked the staff....just becasue he felt he was above the rules.
    Last edit by Esme12 on Jan 10, '13
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    Quote from FlorenceNtheMachine
    I wish he would take his precious babies out of the hospital and stay out, permanently. Entitled trash!
    Be careful. His attorneys can go after the posters for defamation, libel, tarnishing and a horde of other technical jargons.
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    Quote from elkpark
    Ummm, none of us were there (if someone was, please feel free to speak up! ), and he was acquitted of all the charges in a criminal trial. Maybe it's just possible that, in spite of his being a Kennedy (which so many people seem to assume is proof of guilt of something), just this once, he's right and the people accusing him are wrong ...

    I certainly don't know and have no opinion either way, but it's always interesting to see how many people immediately take the "other side" whenever a situation involves a Kennedy.
    You are contradicting yourself. You do have an opinion and you have taken a side; whether you are cognizant of that is entirely a different matter.
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    If he didn't want to follow hospital rules, he should have planned for his family to have a home birth. Then he could take the babies anywhere he wanted.

    I think I see a way to raise some cash. I'm going to the hospital, assault a few nurses, then sue the hospital!
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    Quote from Esme12
    Unfortunately..... it is so different here in the US. With infant abductions and the US being such a litigious society.... the parent are free to go anywhere with the infant...in the hospital on the maternity floor. Many facilities have ankle bracelets that will set off alarms if someone attempts to leave the area with the infant.

    Your point of view is perfectly understandable.....not being from the US. sadly it is not that way here.

    If you asked a father in your maternity area to retun to the room as it was policy that they could not remove the infant from the floor and they said I don't care I'm leaving anyway...my baby needs fresh air and it's a blizzard and they shove past you to escape down the back staris as the ward alarms are going off....does that sound like a reasonable response from a rational adult? and then start kicking the staff hard enough to toss them into a hallway while you are holding the infant becasue you think the infant needs fresh air.....the response to the situation on the parents behalf is irrational highlighting the nurse senses that something is amiss.

    He still should not have attacked the staff....just becasue he felt he was above the rules.
    Thank you for your reply Esme12

    I find the need for ankle bracelets and alarms so sad and the whole suits and countersuits phenomenon seems for the lack of a better word, so erosive. Nursing and healthcare can certainly be stressful enough without the added burden of worrying about lawsuits.

    I definitely do not think that it is acceptable to kick another person, except in self-defence when other measures are inadequate. I'm trying to look at this situation as objectively as I can but I don't think that I have enough information to form a definite opinion. What I on the other hand do have is a luxury that the nurses didn't have on the day in question. I have plenty of time to analyze what the proper course of action would have been.

    For me, the only reason to try and restrain a person would be that I fear an imminent threat to myself or to another person. I wouldn't do it simply because someone violated a policy if I couldn't foresee that breach leading to harm. I don't know if the nurses feared for the baby's safety. I don't know if the father was behaving irrationally.

    I've been in many conflict situations (I'm a second-career nurse) in my previous job and sometimes it just takes a little thing to escalate a situation and I can easily picture how a chain of events can lead to the kind of pushing and shoving seen on the video footage.

    Now I feel I've started to babble nonsensically, it's oh-dark-thirty in this neck of the woods. Time for sleep Just wanted to add, thank you for a friendly, interesting and educational forum!
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    Quote from Vishwamitr
    Be careful. His attorneys can go after the posters for defamation, libel, tarnishing and a horde of other technical jargons.
    Lol! That really made me chuckle. These pockets are empty, Mr. Kickennedy.
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    Quote from funfunfun550
    People break rules all the time. Let it go people...I am not stopping a parent unless I thought the childs life was in mortal danger.I have seen plenty parents do and we have to just allow them to do what they want or we are reported by the family and the next thing you know you have no job.This is what it has come too. Family dictated care....no one follows rules unless they like them. Some people just plain old like a power struggle. Many have lost alot of choices while stuck in a hospital...so they act out. I would have stepped aside and let him go where he wanted.
    This is right on the money. Then I would have called to DON to go and deal.
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    We are not talking about ANY BABY! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A KENNEDY! The closest thing that America has to royalty. I will say thought, the the royalty that I have seen in the public, have better manners, and conduct themselves, like individuals who have some class and consideration for others

    The Kennedys of today, act more like blue collar trailer trash, than college educated, well brought up individuals, who should know better. They were informed of the hospital policies when they were admitted, and signed the admission acceptance.

    If that baby had been harmed in ANY way, or abducted, these nurses might as well have just turned in their licenses, and reported to jail to serve a life sentence.

    Remember the Lindberg baby? The uproar that it caused? Multiply that by a million.

    JMHO and my NY $0.02.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Somewhere in the PACNW
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    This Kennedy is like most of the Kennedy clan; they definitely have class... low class.

    No person should sue a hospital nor its staff unless erious harm was done. This does not rise to that level.
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