Kennedy suing Nurses - page 3

Douglas Kennedy sues Northern Westchester Hospital, nurses in newborn incident Less than two months after being acquitted on charges of endangering his 2-day-old son and harassing nurses who... Read More

  1. Visit  funfunfun550 profile page
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    Nope its not unless they are new borns
  2. Visit  CDEWannaBe profile page
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    Security is tight on every maternity ward I've ever heard of. In birthing classes they make it very clear that the newborn is not allowed out of the unit until the baby is officially discharged. In most hospitals the newborn and mom both have ID bracelets and they are checked and rechecked each time the infant is removed from the nursery. Most hospitals took these measure to prevent infants from being kidnapped from the hospital.

    Kennedy was an absolute yahoo. What he did was the equivalent of just walking through airport security and pushing past security agents as they tried to stop him.


    Quote from macawake
    I find this entire incident a bit confusing. As I understand it a father attempted to take his two-day-old baby outside the hospital for a breath of fresh air. Unless there was a raging blizzard outside or the baby had a medical condition that required that he or she received constant medical attention I don't see why a properly clad baby wouldn't benefit from a brief outdoors visit.

    Were the nurses not aware that the man trying to leave with the baby was the father? If they thought it was a stranger I can certainly understand why they'd attempt to physically stop him (in addition to alerting security/the police), if they knew it was the father then I can not. I don't know the specifics of this case and I certainly wasn't there when it took place so I'm only speculating about the facts. Was it against hospital policy to leave before discharge? Was it illegal to do so? If it was against hospital policy but not against the law were staff in order to enforce hospital policy encouraged to or required to physically restrain a parent about to leave with his or her baby?
    If that was the case then I believe that the nurses and other staff were put in an untenable situation.
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  3. Visit  CDEWannaBe profile page
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    I live in rural Oklahoma and saw the video footage several times on the news. What he did was odd and inappropriate, by any standards. The nurses didn't file their suit for $200,000, as far as I know, so they apparently had a reality check.

    My guess is that he's a laughing stock now (as he should be) and filed the lawsuit against the nurses to make himself feel better. Hope he gets his rear kicked in court.

    Quote from BrandonLPN
    Well, this is a nursing message board, so it's to be expected most would side with the nurses. With that said, I totally agree with the sentiment that, unless we were there, we don't know the full story. Theres a distinct "guilty until proven innocent" mentality in this country that i find disturbing. From what I read, it sounds just as likely that the two nurses were trying to cash in on Kennedy, hoping he would just settle out of court. I mean, come on, the nurses wanted to sue him first for $200k. For what? Both the nurse and Kennedy fell to the ground as he tried to force past her and she lunged at him. Sounds like a mutual lapse of judgement to me. No one was hurt. How was this "physical and emotional damage" entitling the nurse to $200k??
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  4. Visit  BrandonLPN profile page
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    Quote from elkpark
    Yeah, and Terry Schiavo's parents had a video that made it look like she was reacting and responding to her parents talking and gesturing to her. I'm not defending Kennedy -- I have no idea what really happened and no opinion either way; I'm just surprised that so many people are so sure they do know what happened.
    Oh, I agree with the sentiment. As a society, we are too easily swayed by schmaltzy news stories. They play the "he's eeeevil" music in the background, and suddenly the suspect (key word SUSPECT) is a monster. In the mind of the public the burden of proof seems to lie on the accused. Which, of course, is backwards..... But in this case, if you watch the video, Kennedy trips the nurse from behind. Hard to imagine a scenario where this isn't him at fault....
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  5. Visit  macawake profile page
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    I understand that a hospital may have rules or policies to prevent a kidnapping. Unless it is a crime to leave with your baby I don't really think it compares to charging through airport security (which is a criminal offence). My point is that it doesn't seem to me (with the information available to me) that the baby was placed in danger when the father attempted to leave with him. I'd be more concerned that the infant would be harmed in the ensuing scuffle when no doubt well-intentioned staff tried to prevent the father from leaving.

    I admit, I don't have much knowledge of the inner workings of an American maternity ward (I'm Swedish). In Sweden we don't have nurseries. The baby rooms in with the mother (unless the baby is in the NICU) and the hospital room also has a sofa bed for the father or partner. So the baby is always with his or her parent/s. The parents are free to move around with there baby whereever they please, they just inform staff (as a courtesy) if they go to the cafeteria or whatnot. So different worlds which perhaps is why I'm having a hard time understanding this incident.

    Bottom line though, the baby's safety is paramount and to me it makes more sense to let a parent (in good standing) leave with the child rather than wrestling with said parent carrying the baby.

    I'm not bashing the nurses. I'm convinced that they reacted the way they did out of concern for the baby and also I assume, because they felt that they had to uphold policy? Perhaps fear of possible liability also affected the way they handled the situation? I don't know, I guess I'm asking you guys


    Edit: This post was in response to #27 CDEWannaBe, I failed to quote his/her post.
    Last edit by macawake on Jan 10, '13 : Reason: butterfingers
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  6. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Unfortunately..... it is so different here in the US. With infant abductions and the US being such a litigious society.... the parent are free to go anywhere with the infant...in the hospital on the maternity floor. Many facilities have ankle bracelets that will set off alarms if someone attempts to leave the area with the infant.

    Your point of view is perfectly understandable.....not being from the US. sadly it is not that way here.

    If you asked a father in your maternity area to retun to the room as it was policy that they could not remove the infant from the floor and they said I don't care I'm leaving anyway...my baby needs fresh air and it's a blizzard and they shove past you to escape down the back staris as the ward alarms are going off....does that sound like a reasonable response from a rational adult? and then start kicking the staff hard enough to toss them into a hallway while you are holding the infant becasue you think the infant needs fresh air.....the response to the situation on the parents behalf is irrational highlighting the nurse senses that something is amiss.

    He still should not have attacked the staff....just becasue he felt he was above the rules.
    Last edit by Esme12 on Jan 10, '13
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  7. Visit  Vishwamitr profile page
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    Quote from FlorenceNtheMachine
    I wish he would take his precious babies out of the hospital and stay out, permanently. Entitled trash!
    Be careful. His attorneys can go after the posters for defamation, libel, tarnishing and a horde of other technical jargons.
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  8. Visit  Vishwamitr profile page
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    Quote from elkpark
    Ummm, none of us were there (if someone was, please feel free to speak up! ), and he was acquitted of all the charges in a criminal trial. Maybe it's just possible that, in spite of his being a Kennedy (which so many people seem to assume is proof of guilt of something), just this once, he's right and the people accusing him are wrong ...

    I certainly don't know and have no opinion either way, but it's always interesting to see how many people immediately take the "other side" whenever a situation involves a Kennedy.
    You are contradicting yourself. You do have an opinion and you have taken a side; whether you are cognizant of that is entirely a different matter.
  9. Visit  wooh profile page
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    If he didn't want to follow hospital rules, he should have planned for his family to have a home birth. Then he could take the babies anywhere he wanted.

    I think I see a way to raise some cash. I'm going to the hospital, assault a few nurses, then sue the hospital!
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  10. Visit  macawake profile page
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    Quote from Esme12
    Unfortunately..... it is so different here in the US. With infant abductions and the US being such a litigious society.... the parent are free to go anywhere with the infant...in the hospital on the maternity floor. Many facilities have ankle bracelets that will set off alarms if someone attempts to leave the area with the infant.

    Your point of view is perfectly understandable.....not being from the US. sadly it is not that way here.

    If you asked a father in your maternity area to retun to the room as it was policy that they could not remove the infant from the floor and they said I don't care I'm leaving anyway...my baby needs fresh air and it's a blizzard and they shove past you to escape down the back staris as the ward alarms are going off....does that sound like a reasonable response from a rational adult? and then start kicking the staff hard enough to toss them into a hallway while you are holding the infant becasue you think the infant needs fresh air.....the response to the situation on the parents behalf is irrational highlighting the nurse senses that something is amiss.

    He still should not have attacked the staff....just becasue he felt he was above the rules.
    Thank you for your reply Esme12

    I find the need for ankle bracelets and alarms so sad and the whole suits and countersuits phenomenon seems for the lack of a better word, so erosive. Nursing and healthcare can certainly be stressful enough without the added burden of worrying about lawsuits.

    I definitely do not think that it is acceptable to kick another person, except in self-defence when other measures are inadequate. I'm trying to look at this situation as objectively as I can but I don't think that I have enough information to form a definite opinion. What I on the other hand do have is a luxury that the nurses didn't have on the day in question. I have plenty of time to analyze what the proper course of action would have been.

    For me, the only reason to try and restrain a person would be that I fear an imminent threat to myself or to another person. I wouldn't do it simply because someone violated a policy if I couldn't foresee that breach leading to harm. I don't know if the nurses feared for the baby's safety. I don't know if the father was behaving irrationally.

    I've been in many conflict situations (I'm a second-career nurse) in my previous job and sometimes it just takes a little thing to escalate a situation and I can easily picture how a chain of events can lead to the kind of pushing and shoving seen on the video footage.

    Now I feel I've started to babble nonsensically, it's oh-dark-thirty in this neck of the woods. Time for sleep Just wanted to add, thank you for a friendly, interesting and educational forum!
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  11. Visit  FlorenceNtheMachine profile page
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    Quote from Vishwamitr
    Be careful. His attorneys can go after the posters for defamation, libel, tarnishing and a horde of other technical jargons.
    Lol! That really made me chuckle. These pockets are empty, Mr. Kickennedy.
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  12. Visit  jadelpn profile page
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    Quote from funfunfun550
    People break rules all the time. Let it go people...I am not stopping a parent unless I thought the childs life was in mortal danger.I have seen plenty parents do and we have to just allow them to do what they want or we are reported by the family and the next thing you know you have no job.This is what it has come too. Family dictated care....no one follows rules unless they like them. Some people just plain old like a power struggle. Many have lost alot of choices while stuck in a hospital...so they act out. I would have stepped aside and let him go where he wanted.
    This is right on the money. Then I would have called to DON to go and deal.
  13. Visit  lindarn profile page
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    We are not talking about ANY BABY! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A KENNEDY! The closest thing that America has to royalty. I will say thought, the the royalty that I have seen in the public, have better manners, and conduct themselves, like individuals who have some class and consideration for others

    The Kennedys of today, act more like blue collar trailer trash, than college educated, well brought up individuals, who should know better. They were informed of the hospital policies when they were admitted, and signed the admission acceptance.

    If that baby had been harmed in ANY way, or abducted, these nurses might as well have just turned in their licenses, and reported to jail to serve a life sentence.

    Remember the Lindberg baby? The uproar that it caused? Multiply that by a million.

    JMHO and my NY $0.02.

    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Somewhere in the PACNW
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