Jobs for New Grads - The Big Lie? - page 2

a recent article available in medscape is one of an increasing number of pieces that are finally painting a realistic picture of the nursing job market in the us. link here: note that... Read More

  1. Visit  lmhendersonrn} profile page
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    I didn't work the last semester of my BSN, last Spring.
    I have not taken a job at a restaurant or retail store (I have a great deal of experience). I have been under the assumption, for 8 months, that I would land one of the 264 jobs I've applied to in the nursing field. I did not want to start working somewhere, only to leave when I'm offered a position as a nurse. Call me crazy, but I can't work somewhere for 2 weeks or 2 months just to up and leave when the better option opens. (ethics) I took a seasonal flu shot position back in August, but it is now out of season.

    And, this wasn't supposed to happen. I feel betrayed.
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  3. Visit  lmhendersonrn} profile page
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    Thanks
    Last edit by lmhendersonrn on Jan 15, '12 : Reason: wrong
  4. Visit  not.done.yet} profile page
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    Why do you feel betrayed? I don't think there is a single occupation anywhere that guarantees work after graduation and this nursing slump has been present for well over 2 years now.
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  5. Visit  netglow} profile page
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    The big lie, and the feeling of betrayal stems from all the "nursing shortage" propaganda. Schools like to go along with this for the most part. Some now are tempering what they say, tho.

    My college went along on it all, that is up until our pinning where the DON told the audience that we would have some serious problems finding work, that, nobody was hiring and the forecast was dire. We were like, whaaaaaaaa? You could see the look of shock in the audience of family members. We all were adults and knew job finding would be competitive, but you just had to hear the "confessional" tone of her words - like she had to say it now especially since it was way past our last date to withdraw. Heh.
  6. Visit  Multicollinearity} profile page
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    I strongly believe nursing schools need to reduce their enrollment in some geographic areas. The state I'm from has more than doubled its total prelicensure enrollment in the last 5 years. It was done to meet the predicted shortage that did not materialize. Now it's the opposite - many new grads unable to get jobs. I had to leave that area to get a job as a new grad.

    I can imagine why the nursing schools have not cut enrollment. It's devastating to give up hard-won gains in their infrastructure and funding, and who can bear to lay off a colleague? Thing is, nursing instructors are multipliers, creating too many new nurses. I keep reading articles that say the nursing shortage will re-materialize as baby boomers start retiring. How many years do we go, believing this, despite the numbers of unemployed new grads?

    I've yet to see or hear of a single nursing program reduce its enrollment. For the public programs, these are wasted tax dollars. At what point will nursing programs reduce their enrollment? In many areas where there's a glut of unemployed new grads, I just believe it's some kind of moral error committed by the colleges and universities.
  7. Visit  fiveofpeep} profile page
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    Quote from Multicollinearity
    I strongly believe nursing schools need to reduce their enrollment in some geographic areas.
    At the end of the day, they are just a business trying to make money.
  8. Visit  fiveofpeep} profile page
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    Quote from NurseLoveJoy88
    I don't understand why some new grads choose not to work period just because they can't get a job as a nurse. With or without nursing job one still needs to work somewhere to pay bills.
    It's really difficult to get a job when you are an RN because they think you will up and leave as soon as a nursing job comes your way and you can't really lie about school because how will you make up for all that time you had no work history?
  9. Visit  Multicollinearity} profile page
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    Quote from fiveofpeep
    At the end of the day, they are just a business trying to make money.
    When they are tax-payer supported public institutions, that's different.
  10. Visit  Merlyn} profile page
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    Quote from Multicollinearity
    I strongly believe nursing schools need to reduce their enrollment in some geographic areas. The state I'm from has more than doubled its total prelicensure enrollment in the last 5 years. It was done to meet the predicted shortage that did not materialize. Now it's the opposite - many new grads unable to get jobs. I had to leave that area to get a job as a new grad.

    I can imagine why the nursing schools have not cut enrollment. It's devastating to give up hard-won gains in their infrastructure and funding, and who can bear to lay off a colleague? Thing is, nursing instructors are multipliers, creating too many new nurses. I keep reading articles that say the nursing shortage will re-materialize as baby boomers start retiring. How many years do we go, believing this, despite the numbers of unemployed new grads?

    I've yet to see or hear of a single nursing program reduce its enrollment. For the public programs, these are wasted tax dollars. At what point will nursing programs reduce their enrollment? In many areas where there's a glut of unemployed new grads, I just believe it's some kind of moral error committed by the colleges and universities.
    How do you think the schools get their money? They will continue to pack the nursing programs. They don't care what happens after you give them your money,they are only interested in the money. Not in the nursing job shortage.
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  11. Visit  Multicollinearity} profile page
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    Quote from Merlyn
    How do you think the schools get their money? They will continue to pack the nursing programs. They don't care what happens after you give them your money,they are only interested in the money. Not in the nursing job shortage.
    My point is when institutions are tax-payer funded, eventually there needs to be a response to the glut of unemployed new grads. Maybe it's time for boards of nursing to communicate to state legislatures that allocate funding for special programs (like public nursing programs) that new graduates cannot get jobs.

    About ten years ago, stakeholders in the state I'm from gathered evidence on the impending nursing shortage and went to the legislature, asking for money to double prelicensure enrollment. They got it. An elaborate plan was put into place to increase enrollment across the state. RN enrollment actually doubled. Then the job market totally changed, and now the BON keeps publishing studies about the glut of unemployed new grads and pending crisis of undeveloped new nurses.

    For public nursing programs, at what point are hard-won gains in funding and enrollment reversed? How many years to we go spending money on a nursing shortage we no longer see? The casualties are the new grads. That's my point. The private programs will do what ever they want as long as they have new faces showing up.

    I do actually believe many nursing instructors care if their students cannot get jobs after graduation. But does their leadership care enough to put colleagues out of jobs? Who is steering the profession?
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  12. Visit  wifetoAndy} profile page
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    Why do nursing schools need to limit their enrollment? I have never heard of universities not allowing people to get a degree in history, philosophy or education because the market for jobs was tough. I'm going to nursing school because I want to be a nurse, not because I want a guaranteed job. Universities and nursing schools should enroll as many people as are qualified to go through the program and they have the staff to handle, just as they do for engineering, pre-med, pre-law, history and all the other possible college majors. Then everyone competes for jobs, just like all the other professions.

    Our instructors told us honestly that the market is tough, and if you want a job right out of school you may have to move, accept a position in a type of facility you didn't plan on, or compete for internships and residency programs.
  13. Visit  Multicollinearity} profile page
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    Quote from wifetoAndy
    Why do nursing schools need to limit their enrollment? I have never heard of universities not allowing people to get a degree in history, philosophy or education because the market for jobs was tough. I'm going to nursing school because I want to be a nurse, not because I want a guaranteed job. Universities and nursing schools should enroll as many people as are qualified to go through the program and they have the staff to handle, just as they do for engineering, pre-med, pre-law, history and all the other possible college majors. Then everyone competes for jobs, just like all the other professions.

    Our instructors told us honestly that the market is tough, and if you want a job right out of school you may have to move, accept a position in a type of facility you didn't plan on, or compete for internships and residency programs.
    There are some differences. Nursing is different than a history major (for example) because nursing takes up clinical space in hospitals and because of the public need. Also, it costs a lot more to educate an RN at a state-supported university than it does to produce a history major due to clinical expenses and faculty ratios.

    My point was that many state legislatures have passed legislation in past years increasing funding to increase nursing school enrollment. This was done to protect the public from a critical nursing shortage that never fully materialized. So if tax dollars are being spent to ramp up nursing school enrollment for a nursing shortage that doesn't exist - that's an issue for legislators and tax payers to consider. One interesting point to note - MDs have carefully controlled medical school enrollment and have not allowed themselves to be in a glut.
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  14. Visit  nursel56} profile page
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    The differences are as multcollinearty stated, as well as the fact that nursing is thought of in many people's minds like police officers, doctors, and paramedic/fire professionals. They (or we) are a category that serves the public good in many people's minds, even though our healthcare system is an incomprehensible amalgam of public/private funding.

    Once a hard fought battle for funding is won, it's just as hard to reverse. Another dream come true would be if all the people who continue to beat the shortage drum when they must know the game has changed drastically would spend their time and energy trying to mitigate what will certainly be a problem for years to come because the pipelines are primed to produce as many nurses as possible and there isn't enough time for the economy to recover plus doubtful anyone will want to turn down the existing spigot. (meaning the legislatures and professional lobbying activist nursing groups like the AACN.)

    My own feeling is that if it's in the interest of the public good to fill shortages then it's in the public good to make sure all these brand new nurses aren't having all their hard fought talent and education go to waste. They should at least in my opinion pay for new grad residencies as that "first year" hurdle is so difficult to overcome - you can double that if it's been a year or more since you graduated and you haven't secured your first job.

    They should modify the payment schedule for student loans for nursing school - not "never" pay back but take the pressure off a little as the 9 mo after graduation start time isn't contingent on full-time employment in nursing as far as I know.
    Last edit by nursel56 on Jan 16, '12
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