Indiana: Methodist hospital admits doctor error in epidural overdose - page 2

Apparently, a women recieved 10 hours of epidural medication in 1 hour and was paralyzed as a result. I think she is expected to recover. This is at the same hospital that three premature babies... Read More

  1. by   CarVsTree
    Quote from obnurse2004
    I am a PICU nurse at Riley Children's Hospital and I would still step foot inside Methodist. Even after hearing about this latest episode of medication error. Methodist is one of the best hospitals in Indiana. They are run by Clarian-which is the best health care system in Indianapolis--in my own opinion. :wink2: All hospitals have medication errors-it just happens to be that Methodist is getting the attention at this time. The thing to consider is to make sure the lession is learned as to not make the same mistake again.
    There trauma service, however is far from the best. As the poster who did not even get plain films, was sitting in a hallway for 8 hours, and then allowed to ambulate. Not saying it can't happen anywhere, but I'd want to be brought to a trauma center with protocols where she would have had full body X'rays, Head CT, Spine series CT's. Bear minimum for a multi-trauma in my opinion.

    What scares me most is when they did finally scan her, they didn't treat her, but discharged her. So, not so sure what is so great about this hospital or the corporate yahoos that own it, but to each his own.
  2. by   fetch33
    Quote from suemom2kay
    There trauma service, however is far from the best. As the poster who did not even get plain films, was sitting in a hallway for 8 hours, and then allowed to ambulate. Not saying it can't happen anywhere, but I'd want to be brought to a trauma center with protocols where she would have had full body X'rays, Head CT, Spine series CT's. Bear minimum for a multi-trauma in my opinion.

    What scares me most is when they did finally scan her, they didn't treat her, but discharged her. So, not so sure what is so great about this hospital or the corporate yahoos that own it, but to each his own.
    Just to clarify. I did get xrays. I had my c-spine cleared and a chest xray and of course a leg xray because I knew my leg was broken. I finally got a CT of head and abd/pelvis. I wish they'd have at least give me fluids because I was shocky after being up. I would have thought with multiple trauma they would have at least done that.
  3. by   obnurse2004
    Quote from suemom2kay
    There trauma service, however is far from the best. As the poster who did not even get plain films, was sitting in a hallway for 8 hours, and then allowed to ambulate. Not saying it can't happen anywhere, but I'd want to be brought to a trauma center with protocols where she would have had full body X'rays, Head CT, Spine series CT's. Bear minimum for a multi-trauma in my opinion.

    What scares me most is when they did finally scan her, they didn't treat her, but discharged her. So, not so sure what is so great about this hospital or the corporate yahoos that own it, but to each his own.
    I respect the fact that you have your own opinion. However, I live in Indianapolis. I know the type of healthcare systems that are in the Indianapolis area. Clarian is the best one around. It doesn't mean that Clarian or Methodist in particular--is the best one in the US. It means that if anyone in my family was critically-ill, they would go there. Please--the only other trauma one ER in the area is Wishard. Unless you have worked for Methodist or Clarian--I don't think that it is fair to call the people who run Methodist/Clarian "corporate yahoos". I trust in my hospital--more so than the other healthcare networks in Indianapolis. I can say that as I have worked for several of the other larger ones.
  4. by   rnbsn2b
    Quote from student4life
    Apparently, a women recieved 10 hours of epidural medication in 1 hour and was paralyzed as a result. I think she is expected to recover.
    This is at the same hospital that three premature babies died as a result of an heparin overdose.
    I am trying to find an article, but here is the video feed for now. Would you set foot in this hospital???

    http://www.wishtv.com/Global/categor...7&nav=menu35_4
    Wow, I agree that this is a horrible mistake but the article states the truth about nursing by humans and human error. Everyone makes mistakes. This could happen anywhere, it just makes us all aware we should be more vigilant in our care to do the best for our patients.
  5. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Quote from rnbsn2b
    Wow, I agree that this is a horrible mistake but the article states the truth about nursing by humans and human error. Everyone makes mistakes. This could happen anywhere, it just makes us all aware we should be more vigilant in our care to do the best for our patients.

    Exactly right. I can't say something like this could never happen where I work...I just pray it never does. We are all humans subject to err for many reasons. I just hate to think our errors cause the death/disability of others in the process of our learning.
  6. by   bethin
    Still doesn't change my view of Methodist Hospital and Clarian Health.
    Med errors happen, I'm sure every nurse has made at least one in her career. I've read accounts of them here.

    I have never been a pt of Methodist, but many years ago my older brother became very ill and no doctor could diagnose his problem. B/P 225/150 for a 12 year old, all vessels and capillaries in his eyes and face had busted leaving him blood red. Urine output 0. Finally, after being transferred to Methodist he was diagnosed with a kidney staph infection. They treated my parents and me like gold. The nurses were ALWAYS caring.

    Keep in mind that IU Med Center is part of Clarian Health (the corporate yahoos as another poster said) where Lance Armstrong was treated for cancer and where I see one of the top GI specialists in the country. I still have the same amount of respect for Clarian and Methodist. IU Med Center is a highly respected teaching hospital and I have heard nothing but extremely positive words said about the nurses and clinical instructors at Methodist from my co workers.

    Clarian has done much for the community and the employees. As a outpatient, the nurse asked me what my major was, she then found a book for me that had all the benefits. It's just not monetary benefits that people are looking for.

    As I said in the beginning, med errors happen. I bet you can walk into any major large hospital and find numerous errors every day.
  7. by   DebbieSue
    All I'm going to say is: if I were Fetch, I would run, not walk, to the nearest malpractice attorney.

    The care she received was negligent, period.

    Debbie, RN, MSN
  8. by   BSNtobe2009
    Quote from banditrn
    Fetch 33 - I sincerely hope that you don't just let this go by. You need to write a letter to the CEO and the Chief of Staff. There is NO excuse for that kind of treatment!!

    Our hospital had an ER doc that keep sending a young woman home - the third time her family brought her in she was septic from a burst gallbladder, and died. They're being sued.
    I don't think doctor's are God's, and when they truly make a mistake, even if someone died, I don't necessarily think a lawsuit is in order.

    However, you see things like this, and my first thought is, "I hope you wipe his malpractice insurance out!"

    Too many doctors are so arrogant that they don't even CONSIDER that they might be wrong.
  9. by   LucyGoosey
    Betsy Lehman was a friend of mine. She was a health reporter for the Boston Globe and died from a chemotherapy overdose in 1995. This happened at the prestigious Dana Farber Hospital that treats cancer patients.

    Her death from overdose was supposed to have been watershed event whereby hospitals across the country were to initiate any and all methods to prevent overdose of any kind from occurring again.

    When Betsy Lehman died, Dana-Farber had been without a director of nursing for more than a year.


    http://stevenlehrer.com/explorers/epilogue.htm

    http://mason.gmu.edu/~bpierso2/betsylehman.html
  10. by   LeahJet
    I worked at both IU and Methodist (Clarian Health) in Indianapolis, in the neuro-ICUs.
    The nurses and physicians I worked with are some of the best I've ever had the honor of working with.
  11. by   P_RN
    Old timers here may recall my last experience with th ER. What we need to remember is that Hospitals and their ERs are only as good as their staff. The staff of the moment may be sterling. You may have the most compassionate, most personable people one day and the next Atilla the Hun and his crew. As for me, I will never return to the hospital that treated me like trash.
    However, I do not believe that they are any better or worse than average. But with half dozen choices....they didn't make the cut.

    I haven't read the report of the spinal, but I do remember with my first child the doctor used a nupercaine spinal and I could neither feel nor move for nearly 30 hours. Not a good thing for a new mommy. And I just remembered this.....that was the same place that my ER visit was at. Hmmmmm. Fool me once shame on me, ........
  12. by   LeahJet
    Quote from P_RN
    Old timers here may recall my last experience with th ER. What we need to remember is that Hospitals and their ERs are only as good as their staff. The staff of the moment may be sterling. You may have the most compassionate, most personable people one day and the next Atilla the Hun and his crew. As for me, I will never return to the hospital that treated me like trash.
    However, I do not believe that they are any better or worse than average. But with half dozen choices....they didn't make the cut.

    I haven't read the report of the spinal, but I do remember with my first child the doctor used a nupercaine spinal and I could neither feel nor move for nearly 30 hours. Not a good thing for a new mommy. And I just remembered this.....that was the same place that my ER visit was at. Hmmmmm. Fool me once shame on me, ........
    Was this at Methodist in Indy?
  13. by   P_RN
    Not at Methodist. I'm in SC.

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