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| Advertisement Sponsored Links | | | | No. 71 | 
Jun 26, 2009, 01:29 PM
 Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed?
" We have to take care of us first". I absolutely agree with this statement. I also agree that taking care of us means you have to have someone to take care of you. I think many of you have forgotten the other us who are the sick, old, senile and disable who share the same citizenship and pride of being american like yourselves. many of you here focused the problem of staffing in acute care. Many of you do not realized that the burden is in long term care. Many of these facility have been shut down or in probation because of board of health violation related to the short staffing delimma. It make me sick to my stomach knowing that a pt has to sit for hours with thier depends dirty, A pt developed a severe pressure ulcer in his buttucks because he's not being turned, A pt dying of sepsis undetected because the nurses has no time to assess, the list goes on and on. You can not blame a NURSE for this events from happening. RN in the ECF is responsible for 20 or more pt. That is why it is prudent that we satisfy the shortage. I am not by any mean a well qualified system analyst but I think recruiting well qualified foriegn nurses is one of many excellent solution to this phletoric problem. If and when this problem is solved then my father in law who has parkinson and the rest of the sick eldelry can be taking care of with dignity that they deserve. The shortage of nurses is not a myth but a matter of fact reality.
Why should we antagonize recruitment of foriegn nurses if it benifits this country wholy. They unselfishly and willingly come here to help our countrys delapatated health care. Just as freedom is not free, foriegn nurses assistance is not free. Over all, we as nurses foriegn or not work for the same cause.
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Jun 26, 2009, 01:45 PM
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? Many foreign nurses come to the US to make better money. I disagree that it is completely selfless 100% of the time. That's like saying every nurse here became a nurse because they wanted to help people. Not always the case. I don't see any guarantees that importing nurses just because they have experience will help in LTCF. I have seen more foreign nurses in hospital settings than in LTC. NO, I have no problem with foreigners or foreign nurses. I do have a problem with bringing more in to satisfy a supply and demand when there are plenty of new nurses demanding those jobs. No, LTC was not my first choice, but I'll take it if that's all I can get. It's insane to bring people in simply because they are a nurse when there are plenty here. A new grad can learn how to be a LTC nurse. In one year, all these new grads will start to be more comfortable and confident, maybe sooner, but I know a year is about the average. Working conditions need to imporve. Nurses need to band together instead of being catty. They need to form unions and work to improve their situation. It is tough out there right now, but there are nurses to fill empty roles, the hospitals just don't want to shell out the money to train them. What a shocker. | | No. 73 |
Jun 26, 2009, 01:48 PM
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Jun 26, 2009 at 01:54 PM by cardiacRN2006
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? Originally Posted by javaline  ghillbert you seriously need to get over yourself. You come across as being better or above the the new grad and I'm sorry to burst your bubble but you are not!! Yes, you have the experience, but that doesn't make you better than anyone. It's funny how the experienced nurses tend to forget what it was like to be a new grad. We, US nurses, simply want to be given the opportunity/chance to prove ourselves before being pushed aside for a foreign nurse.
Whoa there buddy. You lost me there. I am on your side in that we don't need to import foreign nurses right now, based on the state of our economy and the situation with our over abundance of new graduates. But, to say that ghillbert is the equilivent of a new grad is naive and foolish. And, well, dumb.
I've followed ghillberts posts, and if you would too you would see that they are FAR from a new grad. To compare them to a new grad is just insulting, and detracts from your argument. You lose points.
I have worked with plenty of experiences foreign nurses, and have found them in general (sorry to use a generalization) to be hard workers and competent in their filed. They wouldn't have been hired if they weren't. Originally Posted by shodobe Sorry, still don't need you. Hospitals have to get off of this "having experience"thing. Foreign nurses need to stay put in their own countries and not come here to take up space that American traines nurse need. Notice I stated "American trained", so this doesn't mean a foreign individual who comes here goes through school here shouldn't be given just as much a chance to work here as anyone. Experienced, trained FOREIGN nurses are not needed here and won't be needed for many years to come. The senator in the OP should be recalled by his constituents because he is basically taking food out of the mouths of the nurses and students who voted him in and can't find work. I guess I am becoming more and more an isolantionist because of the influx of foreign workers throughout this country, legal and illegal.
Grrr. Hospitals have to 'get off this having experience thing"? That really chaps my hide. So now, I'm not good enough because I have experience? Or do they only have to get over it when it comes to foreign nurses? What if the hospital has no experienced nruses? Then what?
Do you know how many lives I've saved from the mistakes of new grads?
Again, I agree that we need to focus on OUR new grads, educating and hiring them. But make no mistake, we NEED experienced nurses too. Patients will DIE without them. Please don't pretend that they will be a safe practitioner as a new grad. New grads need us. And the hosptials, patients and Drs need us too. There has to be an appropriate ratio of experienced nurses to new grads.
Saying hosptials need to 'get over' it, or that 'we don't need you' only weaken your argument.
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Jun 26, 2009, 01:49 PM
 Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? Originally Posted by DolceVita What you mean is YOU think it is disrespectful
Actually I KNOW it is disrespectful 
A hospital is an environment that is foreign to most patients; toss in hearing foreign languages being spoken and you can possibly increase a patient's anxiety level.
Also, it can cause some Vietnam-era Veterans to have flashbacks. Think about it.
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Jun 26, 2009, 01:57 PM
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed?
SHODOBE. I see that you're an OR nurse. How can you be so oblivious of the staffing problem. When I worked in the Med surg, I have seen post TURP, Angio, choley, suffered unecessesary complication such as UTI, blood loss, hypoxia, hematoma and even sepsis. All this problem occured because the pt has not been closely monitored and or assesed. The RN in med surg where I worked has 6 pt and if lucky she has a tech that is deligent. Many times the RN just dont have enough time to round on a post op pt every 15-30mins, especially if her assignment is already saturated. The moral of the nurses in MED SURG floor where I work is so low because of the staffing problem. This is also the root of the problem of our new grad/hire quiting or relocating because they are dissatisfied and intimidated. Maybe your facility is in satisfactory condition but it is not a reflection to the rest of the country.
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Jun 26, 2009, 02:00 PM
 Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? Originally Posted by cardiacRN2006 Oh, it's not just disrespectful, it's highly unprofessional, rude, tacky and selfish.
There is absolutely no need for it. I agree.
| | No. 78 |
Jun 26, 2009, 02:32 PM
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed?
patchouli. I appreciate your reply to my post. By the way none in my graduating class ever applied in nursing home setting. it just didn't "appeal". Irregardless how disperate we are with this hard economic time. I don't think anyone would subject themselves to psychological/emotional and physical torture to satisfy daily living. My wife did her clinical in a nursing home and swear she will never ever work in a nursing home. She have seen the pain and suffering that these residents are going through and it just brooke her heart.She wants to do OB when she gets done.
And who says there such a thing as free labor. Yes it is true that foriegn nurses come for better wages it is only right to compensate them for their services. This doesn't mean they're being paid any higher than the same nurse applying for the sameposition.
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Jun 26, 2009, 02:49 PM
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? I agree that LTCF are not pleasant, and I agree that foreign nurses don't make more than US nurses, not even sure who said they made more? However, I don't see ANY foreign nurses in the LTCF here. The arguement has somehow changed. It was an arguement of whether or not we should import nurses based on this "shortage". Now, somehow, the arguement has changed to importing experienced nurses. The facts are simple; we are in a recession, we cannot afford to ship jobs overseas or import anymore people in need of jobs until we get the people already living here employed. After we are healthy, then welcome everyone back in. If new grads want the experience, they'll take LTC, trust me. If they don't want to do that then fine, but it will happen, some will take those jobs. Not my first choice neither, but I desparately need the experience. If I find a hospital job, great! If not, then I'm off to LTC. This subject is touchy for many foreign nurses, and I respect them for getting their license, and I respect them as colleagues, but I also know that when you're running out of bread, and PB&J is all that's available to your kids, then it's probably not the best time to invite the neighborhood kids over for lunch. We need to wait until the skies clear a little, that's alll I'm saying. |
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