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Jun 25, 2009, 06:21 AM
 Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? Originally Posted by IdreamofNursing  As a new graduate RN(December 2008, NCLEX passed 2009) who applied for and was sent a very nice denial email from El Centro Regional Medical Center, Mr. Moore's comments have made my jaw drop.
Like many new graduate RN's who are struggling to find employment, I find this article both frustrating and saddening. For the record, there are nurses willing and able to relocate out of big counties and move to cities like El Centro. If administrators and managers refuse to hire them because of lack of experience, then that is another issue.
Sincerely,
Desperately seeking employment in CA
I would contact your Congressman, how can El Centro petition 20 foreign nurses and deny a US nurse a job. I would ask your Congressman to look at the Federal Funds sent to this hospital and withhold them until they employ citizens,.
I would also contact your Governor's of and request the same for state funds.
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Jun 25, 2009, 11:14 AM
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? Originally Posted by javaline ghillbert you seriously need to get over yourself. You come across as being better or above the the new grad and I'm sorry to burst your bubble but you are not!! Yes, you have the experience, but that doesn't make you better than anyone. It's funny how the experienced nurses tend to forget what it was like to be a new grad. We, US nurses, simply want to be given the opportunity/chance to prove ourselves before being pushed aside for a foreign nurse.
You are dead wrong. An experienced nurse is better skilled than a new graduate. ghillbert was not saying he was a better person for goodness sake.
If, as a new grad, you really think you are interchangeable with an experienced nurse then you really are going to have problems at work. If, as a new grad, you think that you are interchangeable with a foreign nurse who is experience, simply because they are foreign, I would say that smacks of racism. I get that there are some on this site who do think that.
As for those who think it is rude for people to speak in a foreign language at work -- clearly you need to get out more and travel some. I cannot imagine that there are many instances of a foreign nurse speaking their native language over a patient and when it happens they should be counseled. But if they speak it in the hallway, the breakroom, the storeroom...really who cares? Exactly HOW does that hurt you?
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Jun 25, 2009, 12:05 PM
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? Originally Posted by Alexk49 I would contact your Congressman, how can El Centro petition 20 foreign nurses and deny a US nurse a job. I would ask your Congressman to look at the Federal Funds sent to this hospital and withhold them until they employ citizens,.
I would also contact your Governor's of and request the same for state funds.
This is the letter responding for new grad employment.
Looks like when one has a valid RN license they will consider to hire. Thank you for the letter, and your interest of > employment at El Centro Regional Medical Center. I am > one of the Recruiters for our hospital, and I would like to answer > your questions. > El Centro Hospital does hire new grad nurses. > The first criteria for new grad nurses are: All new RN grads > are required to have completed their nursing boards, and retain a California RN > License, before the Director of the department in which they hold interest for > employment are interviewed.
2. When the new Grad has his/her RN license , they > must apply online, for an RN position at ecrmc.org. > The application for the position they have applied to, comes directly to > me. I will review your application, and if it meets our criteria, I will pass it > to the > Director. They will then decide if your skill set is > what they are seeking, and will call you for an interview. The > decision to offer employment is made by the Department Director. > The Recruiting office will contact you by phone at this point. > Please understand, El Centro Regional Hospital, is interested in all RN’s, > who hold a California RN license, whether they have years of > experience, or have just passed their RN Boards. Please remember, not all > RN’s are always hired as they may indeed not “have the right > fit” for the position in which they are seeking. When you have > your California RN license, please apply online to the positions you are > interested in, so we can start the interview process for you. I am very > pleased you have shown interest in ECRMC, and am here for you, to answer your > questions, concerns for > employment, Mon-Friday, 0830 to 1730.
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Jun 25, 2009, 10:31 PM
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? As for those who think it is rude for people to speak in a foreign language at work -- clearly you need to get out more and travel some. I cannot imagine that there are many instances of a foreign nurse speaking their native language over a patient and when it happens they should be counseled. But if they speak it in the hallway, the breakroom, the storeroom...really who cares? Exactly HOW does that hurt you?
It is rude, no question about it, especially when you know they are talking about you or me or anyone else! I have experienced this on many occasions and will not hesitate to call them on it. They get ****** off and cry discrimination, and then go running to their nursing sup. who they've kissed ass with their entire career. I will tell the sup. too that I don't appreciate them speaking in their dialect in front of me. The national language is E N G L I S H in this country. It's the lingo we need to use in a hospital or clinic setting to C O M M U N I C A T E. Not everyone knows how to speak Tagalog or Spanish, for example. If hospitals become increasingly Balkanized, in regards to language, God help us all. Getting out more has nothing to do with the workplace. The problem I see with foreign nurses - especially Filipinos - is the arrogance they display in this regard. They should be thankful they were allowed to obtain a visa to work here, yet they show their appreciation by not respecting the language nor the customs in this country. They are here for one thing and one thing only......the God-Almighty dollar.
Those of you who are complaining about foreign "nurses" entering this country and taking your jobs need to write your senator's and congressmen. I have. I'm not sure how much good it has done, if any, but if enough of us write them a letter it surely will have an effect.
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Jun 25, 2009, 10:58 PM
 Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? Originally Posted by hossridr It is rude, no question about it, especially when you know they are talking about you or me or anyone else! I have experienced this on many occasions and will not hesitate to call them on it. They get ****** off and cry discrimination, and then go running to their nursing sup. who they've kissed ass with their entire career. I will tell the sup. too that I don't appreciate them speaking in their dialect in front of me. The national language is E N G L I S H in this country. It's the lingo we need to use in a hospital or clinic setting to C O M M U N I C A T E. Not everyone knows how to speak Tagalog or Spanish, for example. If hospitals become increasingly Balkanized, in regards to language, God help us all. Getting out more has nothing to do with the workplace. The problem I see with foreign nurses - especially Filipinos - is the arrogance they display in this regard. They should be thankful they were allowed to obtain a visa to work here, yet they show their appreciation by not respecting the language nor the customs in this country. They are here for one thing and one thing only......the God-Almighty dollar.
Those of you who are complaining about foreign "nurses" entering this country and taking your jobs need to write your senator's and congressmen. I have. I'm not sure how much good it has done, if any, but if enough of us write them a letter it surely will have an effect.
I could not have said it any better.
It IS very disrespectful to speak in another language in the workplace around coworkers.  | | No. 66 |
Jun 26, 2009, 12:44 AM
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? It's easy to tell a new grad that her license doesn't amount to an anthill when compared to your experience because you have that job, and were lucky enough to get that experience. I have no problems with immigration in and of itself. However, immigrating foreign nurses simply because they are nurses when we have plenty over here looking for jobs is unethical! In a career where ethics are everything, this bologne just blows my mind! No, we need no more people coming here to take jobs that could be filled by current US citizens. We are in a recession people! In a few years, when the unemployment rates are back down, and thousands of willing grads are placed, then sure, bring in some more foreign nurses to fill empty positions. The penny pinchers should not be allowed to get away with this. It's really simple. No need to get upset if you are a current foreign born nurse. You are here, we need you! We're just saying no more till more people who already live here are able to find work. It really makes sense. Also, I see plenty of nurses in hospitals NOT precepting. They could be training. Obviously this is going to be an arguement that foreign nurses are NOT going to like, but it makes sense during a recession. We have to take care of us first. I think I've heard that phrase somewhere else...... | | No. 68 |
Jun 26, 2009, 11:41 AM
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed?
This would tremendously aid the debilatating healthcare condition in the US. Many hospitals and ECF/rehab are extremely under staffed and in dangerous operating level. The nurse patient ratio is outrageously excessive and down right enconducive. When I graduated from nursing school there were many recruiters from different agencies and hospitals alluring new grad of a wonderful and fullfiling endeavor in the field of nursing. I choosed to work in acute care setting in a rural hospital. Med-surg was my first stop. Orientation was disappointing and was a joke. My preceptor sat and did not have the initiative to help and mentor. As far as she was concerned I was the nurse since I already have my license. I was thankful that I worked as a tech/SNE while I was going thru nursing school. As far as I'm concerned I completed my orientation satisfactorily on my own resourcefulness and thru clinical education provided my the facility. Many new grad needs a lot of guidance especially if they did not worked as a tech/support role while in school. If they are paired with incompetent and unsymphatitic preceptor they are distined to fail and would eventually quit.
So much of the problem in healthcare staffing is not so much with the supply. there are plenty of new graduates. New grads average age late 30's (at least in my graduating class) with family. Many of whom only stay in the career at least 2 years and then move out to case management or outside setting such as Home health or pursue a higher degree such as NP or CNS which takes them out of the bedside. They leave floor nursing and thats when the whole issue of shortage begins. I worked with foriegned nurses and they are as qualified as the native nurses. Many assimilate to the culture and practices quickly. They are very symphatetic and caring and respectful to their patient. They hold there job with the utmost respect and pride. I personally have seen patients requested for the foriegn nurse rather than the native nurse "because she was more compassionate and respectful". Now don't get this statement misconstrued because it could be anyone/anybody for this matter, I am only giving this as a example.
Why should it matter if your foriegn or not. what matter is the outcome of your pt care and that is what nursing is all about. I heard many in this discussion mentioned that Foriegn nurses are taking away jobs. Not so is the case. Many foriegn nurses are assigned to Nursing homes some of which no one would even dare to place their love ones. The working condition is not always pleasant. How many of new grad or experienced nurses you think would even dreamed or desire to work in place like these.... VERY FEW IF ANY. Think about your grandparents, parents the unfortunate ones who has Parkinson, cerebralpasly who has disability and even ourselves when we are old and incapacitated who will watch and care for us. we should just be thankful that there are angels of nurses who are willing to cross the wide sea and lend a helping hand..
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Jun 26, 2009, 12:53 PM
Re: Immigration: More Foreign Nurses Needed? Originally Posted by DIC Harwould I could not have said it any better.
It IS very disrespectful to speak in another language in the workplace around coworkers.
What you mean is YOU think it is disrespectful. I have worked in another industry with Japanese, French, Spanish, Belgian, Dutch and more...and couldn't give two figs if they had a personal conversation in hallway where we worked nor did anyone else. Even if they are talking about me -- who cares? I'd just be sorry they had no one more interesting to talk about. Now, if we were in a work meeting or sitting together at a table eating lunch together and these colleagues sat a had a conversation in Japanese...sure I might feel excluded. But my feelings, that they are purposely excluding me, don't make it fact . Also, if we all knew how to look after our own needs in the workplace we could simply tell these people speaking foreign languages in front of us that we feel excluded (or whatever we feel). This is not the same as "calling them" on it which is more confrontational.
Right now I work with a Chinese woman and a Taiwanese man. I love learning about their culture and how to say a few things in their languages. Did I have to listen harder to understand what they were saying? Yes a little. Again so what? Frankly, I have observed far worse things than that from "real Americans" on the job.
I feel incredibly sorry for some of the nurses we have imported so far. They have been actively recruited and told they were desperately needed. Then they arrive here and are treated with hostility. Has it occurred to anyone to try and be of service to these foreign nurses they are working with? To help them in their transition to a new country? It doesn't sound like it. I have moved countries before and it is incredibly hard even before taking into account the language.
By all means argue about whether we need to import nurses en masse but this nit picking is really a bit much and it seems to happen every time there is a thread that remotely relates to foreigners. It is exasperating.
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