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No. 50
from ghillbert
Old Jun 24, 2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AtomicWoman View Post
Therein lies a big part of the problem. The "equivalent skills" part is so easy to manipulate, it might as well not be a "requirement." The hiring manager for a software firm (a friend of mine) told me how she did it. She figured out who she wanted to hire from, say, India. She then wrote a job description that EXACTLY matched that person's skill set and experience, point for point. She published the job ad and marked the resume of everyone except the target employee as "skills do not match job requirements" or something similar. Thus, she could "prove" that the person in India was the only person who met the job requirements. Oh, and that person in India was often coached on how to pad their resume. Little-to-no checking of the person's claims of skills and experience was done.
You are absolutely correct - whatever the system, someone will work out a way to exploit it. It only bothers me when this is assumed to be the rule, rather than exception.

Originally Posted by DIC Harwould View Post
I would love to hear others' opinions on their experiences working with foreign nurses and how those nurses interact with staff and patients in general.blah blah blah

I have encountered foreign nurses who barely speak a word of English. They speak in their native language to their foreign counterparts in the hallways and in a patient's room.

Do you think that is conducive to a healthy work environment

Imagine how patients must feel hearing a foreign language being spoken by a nurse about to start their intravenous infusion.

I wouldn't take my vehicle to a mechanic who did not speak English, would you
It is impolite and ignorant to speak in a different language than your colleagues in any situation. However - not all foreign nurses are deficient in english... some of us are even native english speakers!

Originally Posted by SouthernComfort31 View Post
ghillbert: how do you feel about the "brain drain" that happens to the country that loses their skilled nursing professional to the USA? I'm not sure where you are from; is there a similar nursing shortage in your home country?
I'm sure it's an issue. However, nursing is a transient profession. People come and go. Particularly from Australia, because it's so remote, a lot of people go overseas for more varied experienced with a bigger population. But most people come back, for quality of life issues, after gaining that experience. I think that can only be a positive thing for the profession. Global experiences are enriching and valuable in my opinion - advancing your professional status and taking it home seems smart to me.

Originally Posted by javaline View Post
ghillbert the foreign nurse will have to learn a whole new way of life, the foreign nurse will have to learn the language, the foreign nurse will even have to learn how to get to and from work as well as being oriented to the floor, staff and so on. So in essence, the foreign nurse is on the same scale as a new grad. Again, no offense as you seem to have quite a big chip on your shoulder..
Yes, I probably do have a big chip on my shoulder with regard to this issue. Blanket statements such as "the foreign nurse will have to learn the language, the foreign nurse will have to learn how to get to and from work"... and "in essence, the foreign nurse is on the same scale as a new grad" are ignorant and incorrect. Generalizations usually are.

In an ideal world, would americans rather that there were NO foreign nurses - do you not think there is a wide world out there, with valuable lessons to be learned from your international counterparts? Nursing is a team sport, and learning from others - to me - is a great thing.

Honestly - I am very logical and reasoned as a rule. However as a foreign nurse who is a native english speaker and very highly specialized in my field, who was recruited to the US, it bothers me to see statements like some of the ones in this thread. I am gaining knowledge and experience in the US, but I am *not* equivalent to a new grad.
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No. 51
Old Jun 24, 2009, 09:15 PM

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You are absolutely right. The government needs to pump money into BSN to MSN programs, and MSN to Doctorate degrees in nursing to decrease the great shortage of qualified teaching staff across the country. Moneys need to be invested in expanding impacted nursing programs across the country so we can graduate more nurses. In times of shortage this is difficult to do, but we must push for BSN degrees to be the entry level standard for RN's in the US....for beginners. Nurses are not highly regarded in interdisciplinary groups as they are often the member with the least amount of education.
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No. 52
from javaline
Old Jun 24, 2009, 09:18 PM

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ghillbert you seriously need to get over yourself. You come across as being better or above the the new grad and I'm sorry to burst your bubble but you are not!! Yes, you have the experience, but that doesn't make you better than anyone. It's funny how the experienced nurses tend to forget what it was like to be a new grad. We, US nurses, simply want to be given the opportunity/chance to prove ourselves before being pushed aside for a foreign nurse.
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No. 53
Old Jun 24, 2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ghillbert View Post
You are absolutely correct - whatever the system, someone will work out a way to exploit it. It only bothers me when this is assumed to be the rule, rather than exception.


It is impolite and ignorant to speak in a different language than your colleagues in any situation. However - not all foreign nurses are deficient in english... some of us are even native english speakers!


I'm sure it's an issue. However, nursing is a transient profession. People come and go. Particularly from Australia, because it's so remote, a lot of people go overseas for more varied experienced with a bigger population. But most people come back, for quality of life issues, after gaining that experience. I think that can only be a positive thing for the profession. Global experiences are enriching and valuable in my opinion - advancing your professional status and taking it home seems smart to me.


Yes, I probably do have a big chip on my shoulder with regard to this issue. Blanket statements such as "the foreign nurse will have to learn the language, the foreign nurse will have to learn how to get to and from work"... and "in essence, the foreign nurse is on the same scale as a new grad" are ignorant and incorrect. Generalizations usually are.

In an ideal world, would americans rather that there were NO foreign nurses - do you not think there is a wide world out there, with valuable lessons to be learned from your international counterparts? Nursing is a team sport, and learning from others - to me - is a great thing.

Honestly - I am very logical and reasoned as a rule. However as a foreign nurse who is a native english speaker and very highly specialized in my field, who was recruited to the US, it bothers me to see statements like some of the ones in this thread. I am gaining knowledge and experience in the US, but I am *not* equivalent to a new grad.

If you're going to quote my words, at least be honest and not add in your own words: "blah blah blah."

Real mature
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No. 54
from hossridr
Old Jun 24, 2009, 10:44 PM

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I have worked with many foreign nurses - mainly Filipino - and observed a few traits. First is the fact that these nurses tend to form cliques and speak in their own dialect, while other nurses not of the same culture are present. This is especially prevalent when foreign nurses are angry or are talking about other nurses not of the same dialect. These same nurses will manipulate and lobby for their brethren and god-forbid if they get into a position of power! I have seen nepotism and favoritism at it's worst when practiced by these nurses. Secondly, the English these nurses speak in their home countries is many times different than the English we speak here in the US. As a result, communication suffers and mistakes involving patient-care can be made.

I lived in the Philippines for a year. During that time I witnessed a lot of graft and corruption. I have first-hand knowledge of students "buying" their degrees, either in cash or in other bartering ways. While it's true that these foreign "nurses" may have the proper paperwork to enter this country and also to take the CGFNS and NCLEX,etc. the fact remains is their "degree" legitimate? With enough study an LVN could potentially pass the NCLEX and then the state boards.

Like others have said in this thread, newly=minted US grads have an uphill climb to get their foot in the door. The excuse by some hospitals that they need "experienced" nurses is poppycock. Even "experienced" nurses need to be oriented to a new hospital setting. No, the bottome line is that these foreign nurses will work cheaper, not rock the bo Able to analyze and assess an inrnate/inmate-patient to determine what state of
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at, patronize their supervisors and do whatever it takes to get what they want.

Another solution I have in regards to the nursing shortage is wny not let LVN's take the NCLEX exam or equivalency?
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No. 55
Old Jun 24, 2009, 11:31 PM

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WE DO NOT NEED MORE FOREIGN NURSES, WE ARE IN AMERICA. This is why jobs are being cut, we have people from other countries that will WORK much cheaper!
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No. 56
from tempest
Old Jun 25, 2009, 12:01 AM

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My preceptor in my last semester was from Mexico. She had a BSN and spoke 4 languages. She was the best "teacher" I had in all of nursing school, including all of my clinicals. If I was a patient, I would MUCH rather have her monitoring me than a new grad from any country!
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No. 57
Old Jun 25, 2009, 01:01 AM

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As a new graduate RN(December 2008, NCLEX passed 2009) who applied for and was sent a very nice denial email from El Centro Regional Medical Center, Mr. Moore's comments have made my jaw drop.

Like many new graduate RN's who are struggling to find employment, I find this article both frustrating and saddening. For the record, there are nurses willing and able to relocate out of big counties and move to cities like El Centro. If administrators and managers refuse to hire them because of lack of experience, then that is another issue.

Sincerely,
Desperately seeking employment in CA
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No. 58
from MissLouda
Old Jun 25, 2009, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by EmilyLucille523 View Post
Then give us new grads a chance to get the experience needed in that area first. We are not dumb, we can figure it out.
I totally agree... We as new grads are willing to learn, willing to relocate, and willing to sacrifice to get those vital nursing skills "in the bag." If they would rather spend money to bring foreign nurses over instead of training new grads, such as myself, then that is a damn shame. America should be looking after our own people before offering the jobs that WE need to other countries.... Are new grads really that undesirable? It is becoming ridiculous already!!!
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No. 59
from sweetpari
Old Jun 25, 2009, 06:19 AM
Updated Jun 25, 2009 at 06:28 AM by sirI

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hi everyone..i don't know what exactly the situation in US but it will be a sad news for all the foreign nurses who have cleared their NCLEX exams and are waiting for the last 2yrs or so..to get moving there..also whose immigration processing is alomst at the last stage.. i guess there must be some cut off or something that should imply from which year the import will be stopped so that those nurses and even new grads of other countries can look for options beside US.
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